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    Just draft Harper at 2 and Sorber at 14. Then, find a way to get Johnni Broome later in the draft and we are set.

    Fox, Harper
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    Sochan, Broome, Mamu
    Wemby, Sorber, Bassey
    I like this plan a lot, just maybe someone more durable than Bassey.

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    Crazy how far this team has come in a year at the guard position.

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    How did we come from no PG to do lob city with Wemby to now too many ball handlers ???

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    Wonder if the Spurs could get Klay from Dallas somehow. He signed with Dallas to win a le with Luka, not to babysit a rebuilding team.
    He’s washed.

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    If Harper is the max player we think he is and Castle is the other max player we think he is, wouldn’t that all be a problem with Fox and Wemby already having max contracts by then?
    Dylan Harper won’t be a MAX player for four years, and Castle for three, hypothetically. Extensions are signed after year three, but kick in after year four. They’ll also likely be what I’ve heard referred to as Fun Max guys, 25% of the cap. In four years, before Harper hypothetically gets the Max and when Fox still has a year or two left on his extension, you flip him. No hard feelings at that point.

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    At some point, if they all pan out, two of them have to go. I don't think 3 max players are feasible anymore with the CBA we currently have. The question is when do you do it to extract the best value.
    I think only Fox would have to go away down the line. Unless Castle and Harper both turn into All NBA players, they will likely sign what is known as the Fun Max, 25% of the cap. Wemby will be at 35% as a SuperMax guy, and I think Fox will be at 30%, the veteran Max. Or Maybe Fox is also a Fun Max guy. I think you can carry 2 Fun Max guys and a SuperMax, at least for a while.

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    Funny thing is Bailey profiles as the type of player who rarely bust, the "I score alot in isolation forward". Now not saying you can build a winner around a player like that, but they almost always do what they are drafted to do, which is score.

    Obviously if he is in SA he won't be asked to carry and offense and try to go 1 on 2 or 3 alot so his handle specifically in SA will mean almost nothing coming out the gate.

    I think it's way more risky drafting Harper when he knows he won't have the ball in his hand much for possibly years in a row. Those type of players become malcontents pretty quick. I am 100% positive that if you polled every point guard in this draft and said "what team would you want to play for" all of the good ones would say "Not San Antonio"

    Matter fact I can easily see some stories in a few weeks along the lines of "Harper questions is fit in San Antonio"

    Cir stances matter and the Spurs have one of the worst cir stances in the league for a young point guard who thinks he's a franchise player, cause he won't even get a chance to prove it until some other players are moved off the team.
    At 6'10" you might have sold me on his potential but not at 6'7". Not sure how he profiles as a player who rarely busts when scorers at the SF position usually have decent handles and thus good ability to get to the rim, of which Bailey has neither. The 69% at the line is highly concerning too for a guy who is supposed to be a shooter. He has been so wildly disappointing this year, almost on par with Traore. If the Spurs are keeping the pick I think you do it with the idea that if Harper develops according to plan you probably trade one of Fox or Castle in three years. The odd man out now should be Vassell.

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    He's not leaving in FA just coming off that injury. So you'd be taking on two years.
    This summer is his option, which he will pick up. He rolls off in July 2026, so just one season.

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    I think a three guard lineup can work, provided the Spurs get a legit defensive PF who can shoot to pair next to Wemby. A player like OG would be ideal (obviously not available though). 3 big guards plus two stud defensive players in the front court should be playable together. we just have to hope that Castle and Harper can develop their three point shot. guess we can hold out hope that Sochan magically develops a three point shot

    I'm fine with the spurs going all in for Giannis, but honestly with the ability to take a stud like Harper I think the best option may be letting the Castle/Harper/Wemby trio grow together and using our assets to fill out the roster with depth. give that trio a few vets who can D up and they're playoff bound. Fox's future on the team becomes a little more hazy though

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    At some point, if they all pan out, two of them have to go. I don't think 3 max players are feasible anymore with the CBA we currently have. The question is when do you do it to extract the best value.
    If Castle and Harper really pan out they're probably 25% max salaries on that second contract while Wemby is a 30% supermax. Thankfully not eligible for the 35% supermax until his third contract. Two 25s and a 30 can be carried, especially with 10% annual bumps to the cap. But it's why I expect Fox would be traded in three years if Castle and Harper both show they're worthy of max deals. He will still have good trade value at 31 too most likely. And if one of Castle or Harper isn't a max player by the time they're up for their second contract you just keep Fox. The fact that Giannis will be on a 35% supermax is the biggest thing dissuading me from trading Harper for him.

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    Crazy how far this team has come in a year at the guard position.
    It was always going to happen, one way or another. Getting Fox and #2 in a short period of time certainly turbocharged it.

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    I think only Fox would have to go away down the line. Unless Castle and Harper both turn into All NBA players, they will likely sign what is known as the Fun Max, 25% of the cap. Wemby will be at 35% as a SuperMax guy, and I think Fox will be at 30%, the veteran Max. Or Maybe Fox is also a Fun Max guy. I think you can carry 2 Fun Max guys and a SuperMax, at least for a while.
    That's possible, but i expect one of them, Harper most likely, to be All NBA

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    I think only Fox would have to go away down the line. Unless Castle and Harper both turn into All NBA players, they will likely sign what is known as the Fun Max, 25% of the cap. Wemby will be at 35% as a SuperMax guy, and I think Fox will be at 30%, the veteran Max. Or Maybe Fox is also a Fun Max guy. I think you can carry 2 Fun Max guys and a SuperMax, at least for a while.
    Nah supermax is 30% of the cap on a second contract thankfully.

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    That's possible, but i expect one of them, Harper most likely, to be All NBA
    That's a good problem to have. Then Fox is a huge expiring or maybe you trade Castle when Harper is due a 30% max.

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    That's a good problem to have. Then Fox is a huge expiring or maybe you trade Castle when Harper is due a 30% max.
    True dat...

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    Going from Point Sochan & Blake Wesley to De'Aron Fox & Dylan Harper in a season...

    I prayed for times like these tbh

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    Going from Point Sochan & Blake Wesley to De'Aron Fox & Dylan Harper in a season...

    I prayed for times like these tbh
    Those kids will have to get over themselves and wait for their turn.


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    Going from Point Sochan & Blake Wesley to De'Aron Fox & Dylan Harper in a season...

    I prayed for times like these tbh
    Don't forget Point Bran Ham

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    Don't forget Point Bran Ham
    I'm trying my best tbh.

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    You don't need to be a natural point guard to run an nba offense. Speaking of Jimmy Butler he is keeping the warriors compe ive in the second round missing the player who makes their hole team work. You need someone who can handle the ball, pass at a high level, and score. Doesn't matter if they are a point guard or not.

    I think Harper ends up instantly unhappy. He is not going to have the ball much playing with Castle and Fox. The only way you get the ball in his hand is making him the backup point guard and no number 2 pick wants to come in and instantly have to come off the bench. Or you put Harper at the two and you move Castle to the bench and now Castle his pissed cause he is fresh off ROY but now ANOTHER guard with his skillset has leapfrogged him?

    The more I think about it the more I start to feel like having Harper in SA would be a disaster . Fox is like I haven't even signed my extension and you guys drafting my replacement wtf. Castle like I won ROY and I got to compete with someone else for touches now. Harper like I would be the number 1 pick in any other draft but I might have to play small forward AND be a backup point guard playing with the worst players on the team. And I haven't even mentioned Devin who aint never turned down a long two he could aimlessly spend 12 seconds dribbling into .

    Yeah...no, not the type of the youngest team in the nba with the second youngest coach in the nba needs to be dealing with. Draft Bailey and keep it moving. Drafting Harper is going to turn this team into a reality tv show.

    Harper is better than Bailey, but he not so much better than Bailey I'm willing to deal with some highly likely team friction with him until I get rid of 1 or maybe 2 of Fox, Castle, and Devin. That's doing to much for a guy who's numbers aren't that much better than Bailey's, who I really only have to send Sochan to the bench for, and that bum should be coming off the bench anyway.
    Harper and Castle have the ability to spend 10-15 years of their career playing with someone who could go down as the best player ever. I think they can stomach coming off the bench for a couple years, particularly when Manu Ginobili is attending practice

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    Giannis does not make sense for a number of reasons, the least of which is the salary nightmare we'd face in a couple of years. The prospect of two, potentially elite slashing combo guards with Wemby is really enticing. The team isn't ready for contention when they haven't been in the playoffs for 6 years. Plus, keeping Harper is in line with the not skipping steps. The best approach would be to keep adding young talent along with vets who can show them how to play. You take Harper and have either him or Castle fill in the super 6th man role. I also really like the idea of brining KD in; he's a John Collins on steroids type who might be able to be salary controlled after his current salary is up (the sell to him being that he can be a vet on a contending team in the twilight of his career). I don't know what his market would be like, but I'd do some version of 14+Keldon+Devin/Sochan+1 other good FRP+however many 2RP

    Fox/Harper/Blake or CP3
    Castle/Harper/Bran Ham
    HB/JC/SRP
    KD/HB
    Wemby/KD

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    Potential trade:

    Walker Kessler + Pick 5OA for Pick 2OA. Who says no, San Antonio or Utah?

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    Wonder if the Spurs could get Klay from Dallas somehow. He signed with Dallas to win a le with Luka, not to babysit a rebuilding team.
    Dallas is back now. Go out and sign a warm body at PG with their MLE and they're probably a low end playoff team if Davis can stay healthy.

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    Potential trade:

    Walker Kessler + Pick 5OA for Pick 2OA. Who says no, San Antonio or Utah?
    Honestly think the spurs say no, there’s a pretty big drop imo after pick 3

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    Potential trade:

    Walker Kessler + Pick 5OA for Pick 2OA. Who says no, San Antonio or Utah?
    Spurs say ing no

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