To me it's the real issue, he's not a max extension player and if you add it to Wemby's it already handicaps the roster building a lot.
My hope is a friendly extension but with Klutch representing him...
Something we haven't talked about is how strongly Castle finished the season versus what he was doing in the first half. I think between him winning ROY and them getting the top PG prospect in years falling in their lap that they'd decline.
But you're right that part of Fox's value was the partial year and a chance to make a playoff push. That's why the trade was good at the time, though I guess with the injury you could call the lost season a backfire.
Yeah, Bulls were 21-29 before the Levine trade with Zach running the show while having his best year. They went 18-14 with Giddey running the show. They weren't tanking, a Zach Levine lead team just cant win. If they didn't move off Levine that pick is definitely in the top 10 and likely in the top 8 next yr too if they kept Zach.
Last edited by Arguendo; 05-13-2025 at 01:44 PM.
Fox is gonna be critical to making a playoff push next season. You're not getting to the playoffs with a rookie Harper being your starting PG, no matter how highly touted is.
There's a mul ude of reasons why the Fox trade was still a no brainer. But Spurs need to make the playoffs next year and Fox will help tremendously towards that goal tbh.
Why? It didn’t cost much to acquire Fox. I’d love that 3-guard offense, tailor suited for Wemby. All they need is a defensive stretch like Fleming.
I've run the numbers before and for context you pay income taxes where the money is earned/ie where games are played.
IIRC, playing for a TX or FL teams saves you 7.8% net in state income taxes. Hopefully Fox comes to the table with that in mind, having wanted to come here and play with Wemby and takes a 7.5% haircut and views it as coming out ahead while getting to be where he wanted to go. Unfortunately, thats not how agents work.
But yeah, he shouldn't be a Max guy in an apron era. I'd give him a 2-yr max with 3/4 team options, no 3/4 yr guarantee or POs unless he takes a significant cut or ideally a declining deal.
Yup Fox is clutch and not really the Tatum-hero-ball type.
100%. Fox is very important for the maturation into a playoff team and hopefully contender, at least for the next couple of seasons. Castle and Harper aren't ready to carry that load and putting it on them could ruin them. A 28y/o Fox doesn't have a ton of years left, but he's got 2/3 good ones in him which is perfect for our developmental timeline.
I think with perfect hindsight they still make that trade. Spurs fans overrate Fox is a lil, he's likely to be a top 30-35 guy next year and maybe 1 or 2 yrs more, not a top 20 guy he was 2 years ago he's more likely than not topped and will retire with 1AS and 1 NBA3...but he's was still great value.
But I don't think the Spurs get any other top 40 players for:
Fake Cha 1st= 26' and 27' seconds, Top-10/8/8 Protected Chi 1st, SA 27' first expected to be in the mid-20s, and Minny's wildcard '31 1st + a Den 2nd, Zollins, and Tre. On paper that looks like a lot, but really is one mid-late lottery 1st, a end of the 1st, 2 good 2nds + a bad 2nd, and hope Ant gets tired of Minny lotto ticket, a please get this guy off my team Zollins, and a quality backup PG who was taking developmental minutes from Castle. It wasn't a steal and thats a lot of pieces, but no high value pieces except maybe the '31 but that's a 6 yr out coin flip for a guy thats a ready made #2 to kickstart the timeline.
The Spurs are looking to make a playoff push next year, so they’re theoretically exiting the full rebuild mode. I think it’s perfectly fine to bring Harper along slowly off the bench this season, and then take stock of what you have with Fox. There is no rule that he must start bc he’s the 2nd pick. And hey, if he pushes Fox or Castle, that’ll be a “good” problem to have in a year.
If not trading for greek freek absolutely should trade Fox as it will hinder the promise Harper-Castle backcourt
no in the coulibaly interview he said the hardest person to guard was D Fox. Give it time
P J Washington probably available for trade now
/r/nbaspurs is leaking
Fans of team who has won nothing in 5 years says trading for an all nba caliber guard might be a mistake cause they got the number 2 pick in the draft
There is no reason Fox, Castle, and Harper cannot be on the court at the same time. We must get back to passing from a good to a great shot. The key is, who do you trade to play PF/C?
Last edited by dbestpro; 05-13-2025 at 09:51 PM.
You people are ing ridiculous
It’s not hard to imagine a scenario where Harper doesn’t ever become the caliber of player Fox is. But because Harper is the new shiny toy we’re upset Fox is in the way and we should ship him off?
This isn’t an anti-Harper post. Again I’m pumped to be in this situation and absolutely think we should take him despite the fit concerns. But let’s pump the brakes a bit. Maybe we should trade Wemby to free up some more touches while we’re at it.
No, it's a great trade. You got a guy who asked to be here, who is being surrounded with high-character talent. Guys who want to win. Sell Fox on a Jamaal Crawford role where he has a green light every night, mix in some small lineups to up defenses, and then determine closing lineups by guys who show up.
One aspect I love about having Fox is his speed, and having both Castle and Harper having to learn to guard and play defense against him in practice. I am hoping this helps them improve their individual defense, and that it translates to them being able to guard almost every other guard in the league better because of it.
Remember, guys: The Portland Trailblazers picked Sam Bowie because they didn't want Michael Jordan and Clyde Drexler on the same team.
I wanted to bring that up a while ago, but didn't think I should bring up a name like Michael Jordan. I was also going to mention Carmelo and Darko.
When the player is a tier above, you just gotta take the best player. You just have to.
Nobody knew Jordan was gonna be Jordan, but 75 percent of Jordan with that Blazers lineup owns the western conference for a while.
There is a little CBA thingy that will be interesting regarding Fox this summer.
Logical expectation is that Fox signs a max extension of $229M/4 years with Spurs this summer. He will be eligible to sign it on August 3rd. Once signed, he can't be traded for 6 months and the 2026 trade deadline is on February 5th.
So there 2 scenarios:
- Fox signs his extension between August 3rd and 5th: he can be traded at the 2026 trade deadline.
- Fox signs his extension after August 5th: he can't be traded before the end of the 2025-2026 season.
It will be interesting to see when Fox will sign his extension. Will Spurs/Fox leave the door open for the 2026 trade deadline move in case it doesn't go well?
BTW, a little what if question:
What if Rockets offer Spurs a trade package for Fox kinda similar to what Spurs gave to Kings. Let's say Rockets offer Jabari Smith/Tari Eason and 2/3 picks for Fox. Do you do this trade?
They won't, no one is trying to get him.
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