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    Remember when Primo had grown to 6”6 and our front office thought we had in him a franchise player? Good times.

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    Remember when Primo had grown to 6”6 and our front office thought we had in him a franchise player? Good times.
    He certainly flashed potential

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    I'm 100% convinced by Harper and I want to draft him, but for the sake of discussion, how many extra assets would be enough for the Spurs to trade down for Bailey?
    No chance I'd trade down to #4 or #5 unless it's a ridiculous overpay.
    Would the Sixers evevn want Harper over Bailey? Maxey isn't a true point guard and McCain isn't near Harper's ceiling.
    #3 and McCain for #2?
    I'm not that high on Bailey, but Bailey's best case scenario outcome is exactly the wing Spurs need.

    I think Spurs going for the BPA is guranteed, I just don't think they're 100% on Harper over Bailey before extensive workouts and interviews are done. No need to rush things, there's plenty of time.

    I also think Castle and Harper would enable eachother to reach their full potential.
    Nothing better than practicing against your mirror matchup on daily basis.
    I wouldn't trade down for Bailey in any scenario, but for sake of discussion, I would entertain the possibility of getting Johnson or Edgecombe. I'd wanted to trade up for them in the first place.

    For me, I'd look for two to three good draft picks to move down, quite honestly. It's a significant tier up -- those other players could become stars and at least very good role players, but Harper could be a franchise player.

    Also... none of those teams have the assets, I don't believe.

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    Wesley did show a bit of improvement last year, I'll give you that, but with a healthy backcourt and possibly CP3 back - or not, he's still mainly an in case of emergency type role player. Not sure that's enough for a team that badly wants to make and win in the playoffs next year. Remember, good teams are usually 10-12 good players deep - the rest and the two way players are in case of injury/emergency or the occasional blowout loss. Who knows, maybe, just maybe the spurs keep him. He'll definitely have to keep working on his layups this summer.
    When the dust settles, if we draft Harper we're going to have a LOT of our talent tied up into Point Guards. I think there is a strong case then for signing one more guard to the roster to serve as a mentor for these guys.

    What I envision is an older player with a ton of experience but maybe only a little left in the tank. They'd be willing to sign for the minimum and likely wouldn't play most of the season. But they're capable of stepping in for a handful of games, if needed, and can help mentor these guys. The name that keeps coming to mind if Jacque Vaughn, whom we signed for the minimum to be our 3rd PG (although he played a bigger role once he actually got here). I think Castle and Harper would really benefit from that. And while Fox already has a lot of experience, he's still only 27 and would probably benefit some as well.

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    When the dust settles, if we draft Harper we're going to have a LOT of our talent tied up into Point Guards. I think there is a strong case then for signing one more guard to the roster to serve as a mentor for these guys.

    What I envision is an older player with a ton of experience but maybe only a little left in the tank. They'd be willing to sign for the minimum and likely wouldn't play most of the season. But they're capable of stepping in for a handful of games, if needed, and can help mentor these guys. The name that keeps coming to mind if Jacque Vaughn, whom we signed for the minimum to be our 3rd PG (although he played a bigger role once he actually got here). I think Castle and Harper would really benefit from that. And while Fox already has a lot of experience, he's still only 27 and would probably benefit some as well.
    The guy who is 50 years old and has been retired for fifteen years?

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    Remember when Primo had grown to 6”6 and our front office thought we had in him a franchise player? Good times.
    They thought he would show his growth, but not like that.

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    The guy who is 50 years old and has been retired for fifteen years?
    I think he means that archetype, but it is a bit unclear..

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    Definitely needs to work on his jumper. That will need to be his #1 priority his Rookie year, just like Castle last year.


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    I think he means that archetype, but it is a bit unclear..
    That would be Chris Paul.

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    That would be Chris Paul.
    Yup...exactly..

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    Castle's vert numbers last year were 28.5 standing, 37 max

    Harper's numbers are 30.5 and 36.5


    Castle's height/wingspan/standing reach were measured at 6'5.5", 6'9, and 8'6. weighed 210 at combine.

    Harper's numbers are 6'4.5", 6'10.5", and 8'6. weighed 213 at combine


    these are players with very simlar athletic profiles

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    Castle's vert numbers last year were 28.5 standing, 37 max

    Harper's numbers are 30.5 and 36.5


    Castle's height/wingspan/standing reach were measured at 6'5.5", 6'9, and 8'6. weighed 210 at combine.

    Harper's numbers are 6'4.5", 6'10.5", and 8'6. weighed 213 at combine


    these are players with very simlar athletic profiles
    These two guys are practically clones.

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    i had previously seen that his catch and shoot 3pt% was 37 or 38... this guy has it higher. i wonder if spot up has any different meaning from catch and shoot, but i dont really see why it would


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    Crazy some people are overthinking this. Harper is arguably the best player in the draft. The scoot comparisons are crazy.

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    Castle's vert numbers last year were 28.5 standing, 37 max

    Harper's numbers are 30.5 and 36.5


    Castle's height/wingspan/standing reach were measured at 6'5.5", 6'9, and 8'6. weighed 210 at combine.

    Harper's numbers are 6'4.5", 6'10.5", and 8'6. weighed 213 at combine


    these are players with very simlar athletic profiles
    These two guys are practically clones.
    Yeah I wonder if they can play interchangeable at the 2 and 3? Think they are pals as well.

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    Yeah I wonder if they can play interchangeable at the 2 and 3? Think they are pals as well.
    according to the bballreference estimates, castle played 2% of his minutes at SF last year.

    i think more likely its just a 3 man guard rotation

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    i had previously seen that his catch and shoot 3pt% was 37 or 38... this guy has it higher. i wonder if spot up has any different meaning from catch and shoot, but i dont really see why it would

    It's good to see confirmation of how Harper can play off-ball.

    Remember how the beautiful game required defenses to counter the drive-kick, drive-kick, drive-kick until they were completely disorganized?

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    I'm fully sold on Harper. As if it matters. I knew he was good, but didn't pay much attention. It literally required an exact draw of the #2 pick. I knew he was Ron Harper's son, which was a good sign, and that he had skills and seemingly good feel. But I really do think he has a platform to be an offensive hub and franchise player. Like, god forbid something happen to Victor, but Harper is a guy you could conceivably build around. Nothing happens to Victor, you have a player to take tremendous pressure off him. We have a guy who could be the sort to drop 30 or 40 point bombs on teams.

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    And with Fox-Harper, you have two guys who could get hot any sort of game.

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    It's good to see confirmation of how Harper can play off-ball.

    Remember how the beautiful game required defenses to counter the drive-kick, drive-kick, drive-kick until they were completely disorganized?
    yeah, its not even all about shooting. castle was seen as an off-ball, connective type and not necessarily as a ballhandling lead guard, even though it was known he cant shoot. of course at some point, the shooting factors in as well

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    according to the bballreference estimates, castle played 2% of his minutes at SF last year.

    i think more likely its just a 3 man guard rotation
    He played a lot of minutes with Devin and CP3.
    It depends on if you qualify Devin or Castle as SF in those lineups.

    Fox/Harper/Castle concerns:
    spacing on offense
    size on defense

    Assuming we get a 6'10 PF to start alongside Wemby, how many teams would have two legit wings with size that could exploit that lineup?
    We also have to see if Fox goes back to his career average 33% from 3pt or he manages to go back to 37% he shot in 23-24 season.

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    i had previously seen that his catch and shoot 3pt% was 37 or 38... this guy has it higher. i wonder if spot up has any different meaning from catch and shoot, but i dont really see why it would

    Just a guess, but maybe spot up only counts static shots and catch & shoot also includes movement shots. Would explain the higher percentage.

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    yeah, its not even all about shooting. castle was seen as an off-ball, connective type and not necessarily as a ballhandling lead guard, even though it was known he cant shoot. of course at some point, the shooting factors in as well
    Castle had a Usage closer to 20% in college. His usage was high at the end of this season but he doesn't seem to need it. Harper-Fox -- and I think they'll try to run all three -- or Harper/Castle and Fox/Castle allows Stephon to focus more on some of his other skills, most particularly on the other end. One area that he was so devastating in UConn's motion, complex offense was setting screens, ghosting screens, cutting, shifting his position. If the SAS can manage to make this work, Castle at a reduced or 'normal' Usage rate is highly effective.

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    For years now we have heard of positionless players at SF, SG and PG. Castle, Fox and Harper solidify this argument.

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