Pick #14 - Strategies

[CorrectCrusader]

Draft Cedric Coward

[LeBowen]

Then a bargain becomes a dilemma.

It's a dilemma, but never a bad one.

You don't pass on a player because he'll be too good.
Maybe OKC won't pay Williams, but they can get a lot for him and keep the roster going.

[RC_Drunkford]

Fleming will not get the max. He‘s a role player.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

The trouble with Fleming is the what I call the Jalen Williams OKC problem.

You draft an older player who hits the ground running and looks like a brilliant pick, a steal.

But as good as he is, he still has a ceiling that is what it is.

Then you have to pay him at some point, maybe the max.

Then a bargain becomes a dilemma.

The key with a guy like Jalen Williams or Fleming is timing.

If you're a mature winning team, you can pick those guys, use them and then let them walk.

But if you're a young emerging team, and you make them one of your building blocks, then you may have a problem.

The question is, what stage are the Spurs at now?

I think the Spurs are a year or so away from taking a guy like Fleming.

Oh my lord!

You want to pass Fleming because he may be too good to keep?

[Russ]

Oh my lord!

You want to pass Fleming because he may be too good to keep?

The problem is his goodness may be way too apparent way too soon.

It's a crazy ing world.

[vy65]

The trouble with Fleming is the what I call the Jalen Williams OKC problem.

You draft an older player who hits the ground running and looks like a brilliant pick, a steal.

But as good as he is, he still has a ceiling that is what it is.

Then you have to pay him at some point, maybe the max.

Then a bargain becomes a dilemma.

The key with a guy like Jalen Williams or Fleming is timing.

If you're a mature winning team, you can pick those guys, use them and then let them walk.

But if you're a young emerging team, and you make them one of your building blocks, then you may have a problem.

The question is, what stage are the Spurs at now?

I think the Spurs are a year or so away from taking a guy like Fleming.

You don't pass on a prospect because he'll produce at an all-star level for the next 5 years. That's lunacy. You take him now and figure it out a half decade later.

[DPG21920]

Cedric Coward shooting lights out at combine

[objective]

The trouble with Fleming is the what I call the Jalen Williams OKC problem.

You draft an older player who hits the ground running and looks like a brilliant pick, a steal.

But as good as he is, he still has a ceiling that is what it is.

Then you have to pay him at some point, maybe the max.

Then a bargain becomes a dilemma.

The key with a guy like Jalen Williams or Fleming is timing.

If you're a mature winning team, you can pick those guys, use them and then let them walk.

But if you're a young emerging team, and you make them one of your building blocks, then you may have a problem.

The question is, what stage are the Spurs at now?

I think the Spurs are a year or so away from taking a guy like Fleming.

Flemming isn't on ball at all currently. Nothing like Jalen W.

More like Has Reid. Hustle player who hits enough threes to be getting a nice second contract but still has doubts on just how real the shooting is. The second contract proves he's worth more and his 3rd deal is close to starting money but it's not on ball and there's no risk of an all-nba team to jack up his money

[CGD]

Could someone explain why most mocks consistently have Flemming in the 20s? Is it just the age issue?
I dont know the player well enough.

[CGD]

Draft Cedric Coward

This guy is getting a lot of hype right now. Might climb into our range. Is he another guy being dinged for his age?

[objective]

Could someone explain why most mocks consistently have Flemming in the 20s? Is it just the age issue?
I dont know the player well enough.

Only shot 3s well last year and not his first 2 college years. Easy to doubt how legit of a shooter he is.

Can't create for himself, only third in scoring on his crap college team

Disappeared in the conference and NIT tourny games his team played

So there's a strong argument to be made that he's just a guy with good measurements who got hot in a still small shooting sample, it happens.

[DAF86]

Maluach, Carter Bryant or Rasheer Fleming.

[Biggems]

I want Sorber at 14, if he is still there.


We have 3 picks. I want Harper, Sorber, and Broome.

[cd98]

I say Harper and Bryant and then try and get a big in free agency. Go all in on Naz Reid.

[stnick2261]

Spurs likely taking Harper at #2 will result in them playing a lot of 3 guards lineup. It makes a player, who is primary a SF, like McNeeley, less attractive than before the lottery.

Fleming's profile is even more perfect now for Spurs. Spurs fifth player alongside Fox, Harper, Castle and Wembanyama can play a Bowen like role on the offensive end. The main question about Fleming is whether or not he is a good player behind his great profile.

Spurs could gamble on some young high upside prospect like Asa Newell, Carter Bryant, Essengue or even Beringer.

If Fox / Castle / Harper could each rotate through 32 minutes at the PG/SG role... I would do everything to trade Vassell and Johnson to free up the SF position for dedicated 3&D players. Keep Champagnie, somehow get McNeeley and Fleming... hope Sochan's shot comes around because I think his defense and rebounding is still useful somewhere in the rotation.

[Russ]

I want Sorber at 14, if he is still there.

Bingo.

[Seventyniner]

With the ability of teams to absorb contracts into the MLE via trade, I would look into a trade with the Celtics involving Hauser. Cutting $10M off their cap would be worth a lot to them. Is #14 too much to pay?

His contract is $2.1M this season, but his extension is 10.0/10.8/11.7/12.5 over the next 4 years. A very reasonable deal for a very good shooting bench forward. I don't know if the Spurs could trade for him on draft night or if they would have to wait for his contract to tick over to the extension value in July.

[Obstructed_View]

While I agree that McNeely is less attractive to the Spurs running all these little guards around Victor, I think his floor is pretty high and they don't need to keep swinging for the fences at this point. A solid shooter with a winning pedigree ain't the worst piece to add.

[spurraider21]

if the team buys mcneeley's shooting, then adding a sniper who can shot well off movement is actually exactly what this team needs

[BackHome]

I was hoping he would shoot better today while he did good on the 3 ball he not so good on the mid range shooting.

[BackHome]

I want Sorber at 14, if he is still there.


We have 3 picks. I want Harper, Sorber, and Broome.

I like Sorber but am scared of taking a big coming off foot surgery

[Bruno]

If Fox / Castle / Harper could each rotate through 32 minutes at the PG/SG role... I would do everything to trade Vassell and Johnson to free up the SF position for dedicated 3&D players. Keep Champagnie, somehow get McNeeley and Fleming... hope Sochan's shot comes around because I think his defense and rebounding is still useful somewhere in the rotation.

I agree but, right now, Vassell is a Spur with $106M/4 years left on his contract. I'm not counting him out of the rotation as long as he hasn't been traded.

Getting Harper should really push Spurs to trade Vassell. Vassell would play SF next season and would be the 4th offensive option most of the time he is on the court (behind 2 of Fox/Castle/Harper and Wemby). It's a bad setup for him to be successful.

[Uriel]

Unless the front office absolutely falls in love with a prospect (like they did last year with Salaun) and he’s actually still available at 14, I see them trading this pick for more future capital.

[Mr. Body]

Unless the front office absolutely falls in love with a prospect (like they did last year with Salaun) and he’s actually still available at 14, I see them trading this pick for more future capital.

Obligatory note: there is no reason to think the Spurs fell in love with Saluan last year.

[vy65]

I'm really curious what 14+Vassell/Keldon+38 would get us.

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