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Giannis will be 31 years old this December with no jumper. How long can he still dominate with his physical attributes?
I rather take a chance with Castle-Fox-Harper on the court concurrently. Screw SF-SG-PG conventional positions. Just put 3 of them and it can still work. Or rotate them so that there is always an elite shot creator at all times.
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I don't usually place much hope on the rumor involving Spurs and superstar player...
But the Fox trade has changed my mind. With Wemby around, all rumor involving trade with superstar player and their reported interest in playing for Spurs definitely has some truth to it.
Even the reportedly consensus #1 pick for 2026 draft has said that he would like to play with Wemby after that 2 games in France.
Yeah, I don't think I would do it, tbh.
But, if they Do do it, I would go all in and get Durant too.
My first thought was go out and get Giannis with that #2 pick, but after letting that initial excitement die off and looking closer it seems like paying him 35% supermax on the wrong side of 30 would probably wreck the team's cap while also turning Victor into a second option when he should be developed as option #1. The thought of having three legit initiators in Harper/Fox/Castle with a finisher like Victor is ing terrifying.
Standing pat... we'd also have a Walmart professional scorer and sniper in Vassell in the corner. Pick #14 in my opinion should be a high-floor ready prospect now or moved for a veteran for a position we need.
0-13 poll results.
An overlooked issue with a potential Giannis trade is that we'd need to make a couple more trades for legit role players. We'd use most of our assets and be stuck with that roster, for better or worse.
If we were already a playoff team that needs more, fine. But it's too early, tbh. Can't expect to win it all because you have Giannis and a bunch of players with no experience, Barnes aside. Even Fox hasn't achieve anything.
Every year without a ring with Giannis on the roster would be a failure.
Reddit GM’s don’t get this. Especially Bucks fans. They want an entirely overhauled roster plus 5 future 1sts.0-13 poll results.
An overlooked issue with a potential Giannis trade is that we'd need to make a couple more trades for legit role players. We'd use most of our assets and be stuck with that roster, for better or worse.
If we were already a playoff team that needs more, fine. But it's too early, tbh. Can't expect to win it all because you have Giannis and a bunch of players with no experience, Barnes aside. Even Fox hasn't achieve anything.
Every year without a ring with Giannis on the roster would be a failure.
I honestly don’t think any team is going to go that deep for him.
I could see 2 above average role players and 3 picks getting it done. I’d rather keep our assets.
it's too early to make that trade. You trade for Giannis to get you over the hump, not when you've missed the postseason for 6 years straight. Spurs should absolutely play the long game here.
In hindsight we were all happy that we didn't trade Parker for Kidd after 03
OP has a tenuous grasp on the English language.
Hidden costs ESPN and other outlets don’t want to talk about
- less development for Victor. There’s only one ball, less touches. Same for Castle.
- less low-cost pieces through the draft, on Victors timeline. Barring the floor dropping out for Giannis demand, that includes no Harper.
- less cap space for FAs
- less spacing and/or will push Victor more towards the 3P line
- we have a new coach for the 1st time in 3 decades. That’s a lot of change to the Spurs culture in a few months
These costs would be completely stomach-able if Giannis was 25. But you trade the farm for him now, the stopwatch immediately starts and we have a few years to win a chip or face the consequences after.
My thoughts followed the same arc and I'm all in on Harper right now, by a wide margin I think. It's a bit of a stretch, but something about Ron Harper's son coming to the Spurs to be Wemby's Pippen is appealing. Let's roll out our finest red carpet and welcome him; and bring Ron Sr into the picture too. If nothing else, he can help fill one of the many empty seats I see every home game.
None of us wants to see Wemby become Wemby the GM in the style of LeBron, but when it comes to how to use this #2 pick, if Wemby has a strong opinion (that does not involve purging the cupboard of assets) then I think it should be heavily weighted. I mean if Wemby wants Harper, there's not a lot to process on the matter, is there?
I’m in favor of the spurs not fielding a roster of numerous guards, all with no shooting, and no size at the other positions (other than wemby). Even if they don’t trade for Giannis, this team needs multiple moves in the offseason, or else it’s just running back a dysfunctional lineup
We have no idea if the lineup is dysfunctional. Wemby has only played 117 NBA games, Fox has only played 18 games with the Spurs. Castle has played one season. A guard rotation of Fox, Castle, Harper could be amazing. 2 on the floor at all times. If there’s an injury at guard, we’re still solid. We will need shooting, but we target team fits in FA to fill that need.
We’re still very much in the “figuring it out” phase. You take the BPA in Harper and figure it out later.
Giannis would cost a lot more than just the #2 pick. Stick with the young guns and pocket your draft capital.
Ron Harper Sr has always been a Spurs hater. It's one of the frustrating things I hate about this situation is how Ron is anti-Spurs but the Spurs may end up drafting his son which makes it an awkward situation.
Well, bring him in and shower him with kindness. If he rejects it, it's his loss.
When you have a top 5 player on a rookie contract, you don't just figure it out later. Very few opportunities like this ever come up for any franchise.
Regardless, here are the #2 picks over the last 10 years:
D'Angelo Russell
Brandon Ingram
Lonzo Ball
Marvin Bagley III
Ja Morant
James Wiseman
Jalen Green
Chet Holmgren
Brandon Miller
Alex Sarr
I'm taking the gamble of a 31 year old Giannis over a mystery box of a #2 pick 100% of the time. It's not even a close question.
The only question is how much should the Spurs should be willing to give up in addition to the #2 pick.
And here are the top5 playmaking guards, at least 6'4, over the last 10 years:
Castle
Cade
Ant
Lamelo
RJ Barrett
Luka
Lonzo
As you can see, 6'4-6'6 playmakers are a very safe bet if they're highly rated and picked in top5.
I'm not sure if I should've even included RJ, but people initially thought he could be a creator.
Lonzo is the worst one of the bunch and the only failure, but he was picked so high only because of his father's incredible marketing team.
Because it's not even a question.I'm taking the gamble of a 31 year old Giannis over a mystery box of a #2 pick 100% of the time. It's not even a close question.
This is the question.The only question is how much should the Spurs should be willing to give up in addition to the #2 pick.
Giannis is a loyal guy and won't tank his value too much.
He's the second best player in the league and we'd have to give up a lot.
But not only that, we'd have to be a legit le contender right away. Meaning we'd have to make a couple more trades for elite shooters.
Then we'd be left with nothing.
Would it be worth it for a couple of rings? Probably. But there are too many parts and too many things that could go wrong.
OKC should think way harder about the same question if they don't win this year because their superstar and supporting cast are ready, with Williams and Chet being the perfect bargaining chips.
Jokic may want out after his other guys went 1-15 in the 4th last night. San Antonio should try to pry him out of Denver.
I agree in the sense that you draft Dylan if he is actually the most talented player available at number 2 regardless of how stupid his dad is.
Cade and Ant were clearly the best talent in their drafts. So was Luka, even though incompetent teams skipped over him. I would still take Giannis over any of those guys.
That is literally the question everyone is voting on in this poll
A lot of assumptions doing the heavy lifting here. Regardless, I'd take the risk because Wemby's very favorable contract makes even a poor outcome under the Giannis scenario bearable vs. developing organically to finally become contenders 3 or 4 years down the road, which itself carries risk.
Harper would've been a tier above everyone in last year's draft and he'd be in serious consideration for first pick in 2020, 2021 and 2022 drafts.
Ant wasn't seen as the clear first pick, there were a lot of concerns about his work ethic which were obviously wrong and his college stats were worse than Harper's. Also didn't make the tournament.
Luka was the best prospect since AD, clearly better than Zion, but NBA scouts went back to the 80s and didn't trust an unathletic European white boy.
That's why I said it's not even a question because Giannis is a tier above. It's not a direct comparison. It's Harper++ or Giannis. Not just a straight up trade.I would still take Giannis over any of those guys.
Everything is an assumption because we don't know . We've barely seen Fox play and he had a ed up finger on his shooting hand. Wemby went down with a potential career ending issue.A lot of assumptions doing the heavy lifting here. Regardless, I'd take the risk because Wemby's very favorable contract makes even a poor outcome under the Giannis scenario bearable vs. developing organically to finally become contenders 3 or 4 years down the road, which itself carries risk.
Castle was just a rookie and the rest of the roster are proven scrubs other than veteran Barnes who's just a solid role player.
Yes. That is why I would bet on the surest thing out of any route the Spurs can go -- team up the generational superstar with the other generational superstar. There is no better bet than Giannis + Wemby is going to be really ing good. I'll take that over any other potential outcome.
For the sake of discussion, I'll go with it.
What would be your offer?
My best offer would be #2, '27 ATL, '29 SAS, '31 SAS/MIN and whoever they want other than Fox/Castle/Wemby.
The same offer I would've made before the lottery, just with Castle instead of #2. I wouldn't give up both Castle and #2, they can have one of the two.
Then what?
Fox/?
Castle/?
Barnes/Champ
Giannis/Mamu
Wemby/?
With no tradeable picks left since '25, '27, '29, '31 would've been gone.
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