3-and-D forwards watch

[montgod]

Lauri rates 85th percentile in OREB Quality and 71st percentile in DREB quality.

There is plenty to criticize about Lauri... but rebounding actually ain't one of them.

True but you have to available to play to make a difference. 5 yrs out of the 8 he's been in the league, he played 55 games or less.

[SpursFan86]

The sad reality is that I don't see MATFO moving off of The Power of Friendship (the power of the lock-bracelets is too strong). I think they view Keldon as some kind of strong locker room glue guy, Vassell as their 3/D guy of the future, and Sochan as a premier defender swiss army knife. To be clear, I don't agree with any of those assessments, but this is in line with the organization's prioritization of continuity and continual, internal development (see Johnson, Mitch). I think at most we'll see Branham or Blake (but not likely both) gone and maybe they add a vet/resign CP3.

But in reality, I think the lineup we see for Game 1 is Fox/Castle/DV/HB(or Sochan)/Wemby with Keldon being the first guy off the bench.

To be even more clear, I hope to god I'm wrong about all of this, but I don't see them making more than just incremental changes (incremental here meaning: Harper and Mitch. I would be shocked if they actually used 14)

Pretty much my thoughts. I would be be very surprised if they use #14. I would bet #38 is used for an overseas draft and stash player.

Hopefully they’re more willing to shake things up than we’re giving them credit for, but I’m not going to be holding my breath. It will be criminal to roll into next season without 1) at least one truly knockdown shooter who can play at the wing, and 2) a legitimate backup C.

[montgod]

No interest in Lauri unless its a straight salary dump. He's good but no where near Max good when he plays, which is less than 70% of the time, and he's due almost $200M over the next 4 yrs. He will be a Levine-esque salary dumb soon. He also doesn't rebound.

If you want a Unicorn that plays 70% of the time and is actually better at everything than Lauri, Porzingis is likely to be available, only 2-years older, actually has PO experience, and is only due $31M.
No to Lauri. No where near a Max guy, that matters with aprons.

Yeah I thought about Porzingis as a good option as well with load management but still pricey. I've read Celts will be looking to unload players this offseason with Tatum getting hurt. Hauser wouldn't be a bad option to try and get.

[montgod]

Pretty much my thoughts. I would be be very surprised if they use #14. I would bet #38 is used for an overseas draft and stash player.

Hopefully they’re more willing to shake things up than we’re giving them credit for, but I’m not going to be holding my breath. It will be criminal to roll into next season without 1) at least one truly knockdown shooter who can play at the wing, and 2) a legitimate backup C.

I agree. Wright has continually said during interviews it's a deep draft, probably just using the typical draft lingo, but it's a possibility they use 14 if they see a player they really like. I feel like it will be similar to last year in adding more assets for that 2nd 1st rd pick vs trying to train up another rookie who may need a lot of development.

And I think they will fill those two needs via trade or free agency. I just don't see any big names being brought on like Turner or Reid (unfortunately). We'll see though. Lot of other teams need to clean up their roster/depth chart so there are deals to be made.

[mo7888]

Yeah I thought about Porzingis as a good option as well with load management but still pricey. I've read Celts will be looking to unload players this offseason with Tatum getting hurt. Hauser wouldn't be a bad option to try and get.

Is 14 + Branham too much for Hauser or about right?

[montgod]

Is 14 + Branham too much for Hauser or about right?

I'd think that's too much for Hauser. I could be wrong.

Might be right for Cameron Johnson though.

[vy65]

Baba, this is the kind of sobering dose of reality I do not need right now. Thank you.

Inshallah I’m wrong habibi, friendship crew is the definition of haram.

[CGD]

Jabari Smith Jr.



timeline wise the best on the market I guess. Is only coming off the bench in Houston.

22 years old, 6'11'', 12.2 PPG, 7 REB, 35.4 % from 3 on 5.1 attempts. Good defender with a lot of upside.

Would only be attainable if Houston makes a trade for an All-Star like KD/Booker. We could then try to trade assets to the Suns to get him if we're lucky.

I’ve been trying to get this guy here for years, lol. Sign me up.

[CGD]

Is 14 + Branham too much for Hauser or about right?

Yeah. I just sit back and wait for Boston to pivot to firesale mode. It’s too early now as they’re fighting for their playoff lives, but the moment will come.

[Mnky]

What Collins wants isn’t necessarily what the market has available. If you look at cap money available, he probably shouldn’t opt out, as only the Nets have a wad of cash. They have no need for a player like him. Unless hie is resigned to taking MLE money, he’s probably staying put.

Think that's the best thing going for a potential pairing. He'd be a great get below 30, just hard to see it play out.

He did mention he wants a home. He wants to go somewhere he belongs and can be part of long term if that's with the jazz or somewhere else.

Spurs could be exactly what he wants. Who knows.

[Obstructed_View]

Julian went from a guy who doesn't look like he belongs in the NBA to Little LDN in a single offseason. I'm excited to see what he brings this year.

[The Truth #6]

We need affordable no name dudes who can shoot. Somehow OKC can find and develop these players, obviously with the help of Chip, but we somehow have to rise to the occasion as an organization. We'll see.

[ambchang]

Bobby Portis has a player option. I doubt he wants to go back to the Bucks with no Giannis. I figured he was older but he is only 30.

Dudes a psycho. Don’t want him anywhere near a young team.

[thiste]

Is KD out of the question? This doesn't have to be a long term solution

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-trade-...a-lot-of-picks

[palangi]

Is KD out of the question? This doesn't have to be a long term solution

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-trade-...a-lot-of-picks

We give up way too much for an aging Durant. No thank you

[PopTheGOAT]

We give up way too much for an aging Durant. No thank you

Define too much. Barnes, KJ, Sochan, #14?

[ambchang]

Yes to:
Wiggins. Perfect replacement for vassell. I’d even add in a few 2nd rounders.
John Collins shooting, rebounding and defence at a reasonable price
Kornet. Rebounds and interior defence for cheap.
Hauser: shooting for cheap
Jabari smith. 3 and guy. Shouldn’t be too expensive on his extension either. Lacks bball iq though.
NAW. Strong perimeter d. Reasonable contract. Can shoot a bit.
Derrick jones - can shoot somewhat. Strong perimeter defender. Reasonable contract. Not sure if he’s gettable though.

Noes:
Lauri. Too pricey
Yabusele. No defence playing slow footed player
Durant. Will cost way too much on a rental.
Giannis. Cost too much, mortgage the future. yes I know he’s Giannis but the spurs will be in cap
Cam Johnson. Too little for too much.
Naz - weak rebounder, slow on the perimeter. Can shoot. Can handle. Super sized slow footed gigantic guard almost. Will be very expensive.


Our own guys:
Vassell really has to go
Sochan can be around until a strong perimeter defender is in place. If we can get NAW or DJJ I’m alright with him going. Wouldn’t mind having him on a reasonable contract though.
Keldon. I want to keep him around. Instant offence off the bench is a useful role.
Malaki has to go. There really hasn’t been any improvements from him
Wesley. I still see some potential. I wanted to keep him around.

[thiste]

The upside to KD joining the Spurs is tremendous though. He'd bring a lot of offense, spacing & gravity ; an elite 3pt shooter, capable defender & decent rebounder. He could replace CP3 as a mentor to Victor who would love him here.

We're basically giving up Vassell & Keldon and we'd get to keep that Fox/Castle/Harper backcourt.

I struggle to see what's so bad about this equation. Sure, KD has a high salary but we can renegotiate in a year & let him go or have him for 2/3 seasons or more depending on his evolution.

In terms of picks, nothing's set in stone, it's all open to discussion.

I'm all for it personally.

[tbdog]

Although the wheels could fall off any time, KD is still projected to keep playing like Curry and Lebron have been. He is just one of those players dedicated to his art. Plus he will never lose that shooting or height.

[exstatic]

Define too much. Barnes, KJ, Sochan, #14?

Phoenix hangs up.

[thiste]

Phoenix hangs up.

What if KD tells them he wants to go to San Antonio?

Also they might find takers for KD but maybe not that many ready to take on that contract for a 36yo player. They probably won't ask the World for him if they feel they need to rebuild.

[PopTheGOAT]

What if KD tells them he wants to go to San Antonio?

Also they might find takers for KD but maybe not that many ready to take on that contract for a 36yo player. They probably won't ask the World for him if they feel they need to rebuild.

I think the package they get for KD will be determined by if a contender shows interest. Does OKC, DEN, or MIN jump in? They might be willing to beat a SAS or HOU offer because of the urgency to ring. Adding KD to one of those teams would turn them into the favorite, I’d guess. OKC has the most trade pieces but not sure if they’d want to mess with what they have. Phoenix HAS to trade KD, though.

[CGD]

Been thinking a lot about Boston, and their impending cap . I'm sure they would LOVE to swap Dev for 34 year old Jrue, if even just for the savings. But boy that Jrue contract looks pretty bad going forward. He's owed over 100M for the next 3 years.

How may picks do you think BOS would have to attach for us to eat that deal? Jrue could be serviceable, but thats a steep price even for a good 6th man.

[exstatic]

What if KD tells them he wants to go to San Antonio?

Also they might find takers for KD but maybe not that many ready to take on that contract for a 36yo player. They probably won't ask the World for him if they feel they need to rebuild.

Their owner has said they’re not burning it down, no matter how much they need to. They’ll try to sell KD for as much as they can, and build around Book, even though that’s already failed once. When they have their realization, that pick will be long gone, either selected, or flipped for future assets. The Spurs aren’t going to wait around for Dollar Tree Cuban to make up his mind.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think the package they get for KD will be determined by if a contender shows interest. Does OKC, DEN, or MIN jump in? They might be willing to beat a SAS or HOU offer because of the urgency to ring. Adding KD to one of those teams would turn them into the favorite, I’d guess. OKC has the most trade pieces but not sure if they’d want to mess with what they have. Phoenix HAS to trade KD, though.

The problem with most of these teams is that they don’t have the means to do it. GS no longer have the contracts after Butler’s trade, Denver don’t have the picks and it’s also unlikely for Phoenix to be super interested in Porter. Minnesota are in a tough spot with both Randle and Naz being FAs, any sort of sign and trade would be super difficult to execute.

OKC can obviously do it, Houston too if they don’t go after Giannis. From the east contenders Indiana and Cleveland can do it if he’s open to go there.