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    i wouldnt call castle and elite dribble driver. he's good, but not elite. he's not super quick/fast like Fox nor is he as slippery as Harper. he does have good handles and isnt fazed by contact at all, so its not like he doesnt have anything going for him. but more notably, he didnt finish at the rim particularly efficiently and often has no real plan and just gets himself into the teeth of the defense. efficiency in the paint is something he needs to improve on. meanwhile harper's footwork and finishing ability is pretty impeccable
    I’ll concede that Castle needs to finish better, but he was only a rook. Not sure you watched games down the stretch but he was money driving 1 v 1 and always required teams to help in the lane. That is a rare skill at the nba level, much less from a rookie. Manu used to drive me crazy missing driving layups when we first got him too.

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    Maybe it's because I've been watching Blake Wesley for three years, but Castle shows signs of being an elite driver to me. He's, at least, the best Spurs rookie in the paint since Tony Parker*.

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    Maybe it's because I've been watching Blake Wesley for three years, but Castle shows signs of being an elite driver to me. He's, at least, the best Spurs rookie in the paint since Tony Parker*.
    In March/April and perhaps sooner, Castle showed he can dribble around/through anyone guarding him. Saying his handles aren’t good is more like what you say about Keldon when he’s in one of his turnover prone spells.

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    In March/April and perhaps sooner, Castle showed he can dribble around/through anyone guarding him. Saying his handles aren’t good is more like what you say about Keldon when he’s in one of his turnover prone spells.
    As good as he's been in so many situations, I'm willing to give him some benefit of the doubt as a young player going against the best players in the universe. NBA players are good enough to make anyone look foolish from time to time.

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    This ultimately doesn’t mean a whole lot but find it illuminating that Harper, a noted ‘non-athlete’ vs. Edgecombe, ‘a noted + athlete’ is ahead in everything bar max vert…

    While being 20lbs heavier...very surprising.

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    Weird that it says VJ is standing out. Am I missing something?

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    He's not White. He's a crafty bulky left handed guard. James Harden is really close.
    Spurs would be so lucky except for harden choked in game 7!

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    Weird that it says VJ is standing out. Am I missing something?
    I saw some stat somewhere (thought it was a combine stat, but don’t know how they measured it) that had Harper in the 90s as a point guard, and Bailey ranked in the 80s as a small forward. Can’t find it now, someone may have posted it in a thread here somewhere.

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    How do they measure this, is it a useful indicator, and what does it mean? I assume 90s is pretty good?

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    I didn't read the entire thread.

    The guy is going to be a rookie. He's not going to come in as an NBA level elite scorer or playmaker. He's probably going to have a huge growth potential and has solid skills to start. He's already a massive improvement to some of the trash this team has fielded in the past 2 years. He will get a better shot, shot selection and learn NBA spatial awareness, game speed and ball movement. He's going to be fun to watch. His ceiling imo is all over the place, no idea.

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    How is he like Harden without the good shooting?
    James Harden but actually gives a and can play defense.


    Son of Ron Harper. busts his ass. good head on his shoulders.

    there's some Manu stuff in the tape as well. legit long 66 with shoes.

    No brainer you keep the pick, roll out a three guard lineup, and go from there.

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    His form is perfect! The spacing at Rutgers was trash. With NBA spacing Harper will be not just a good shooter but potentially a great one. The feet 45 degrees, nice arch, high/quick release. Feet come together at ascent. He will be a really good shooter.
    disagree on the release being high, its a little low, if he can bring it up a tad it'll be great.

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    Let's not forget who's our GM, Dylan Harper could very well end up being a couple 20131 20132 picks
    don't snort paint chips kids, its bad for you

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    My bet is we're going to see Fox-Castle-Harper starting.
    and with how good Harper shoots spot up wise and creates secondarily it fits terrific.

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    disagree on the release being high, it’s a little low, if he can bring it up a tad it'll be great.
    At the combine he had a much lower release than what I saw on film so yeah he is going to have to correct that but I wouldn’t tinker with it to much if it goes in

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    Nico wasn't lucky. He was saved by the league because he was about to drive the entire fan base away with his stupidity. It was damage control
    lol yeah it was rigged. of course

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    spurs are gonna be feasting next year!

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    I saw some stat somewhere (thought it was a combine stat, but don’t know how they measured it) that had Harper in the 90s as a point guard, and Bailey ranked in the 80s as a small forward. Can’t find it now, someone may have posted it in a thread here somewhere.
    Yeah I guess they have Edgecombe at small forward even though he's basically the same height as Harper.

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    If "It's better to be lucky than good" was a person tbh:

    Meh. I think he's done a pretty damn good job. It's easy to criticize picks after the fact. Primo was the only real mistake the Spurs have made, IMO. But the Spurs have been immensely lucky, so even if he's pretty good, he's still more lucky.

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    Dylan is like Curry and Klay Thompson -- he's been around the NBA for a long, long time. Transition won't be a big problem for him.
    I think this is underrated. These kids tend to do well in the league even if they’re not stars (eg Pippen Jr.). While his dad didn’t make the pros, I think this was probably a factor for Castle too.

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    sure hope the Spurs take this this guy. The thought of them trading down, drafting for need, or trading for some old guy is a horrifying thought

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    sure hope the Spurs take this this guy. The thought of them trading down, drafting for need, or trading for some old guy is a horrifying thought
    I don’t think the reality that the Spurs just lucked into a second franchise player has sunk in all the way yet.

    The roster being unbalanced, general lack of size around Wemby, etc., are concerns, yes, but the foundation is laid and the house is framed.

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    Fox has been in the league for 8 years. That’s enough experience to be a mentor.
    I remember hearing how much value Fox got from that limited time with Chris Paul though. I think he could benefit from additional mentorship himself - especially since he's never been on a truly great team having spent his whole career in Sacramento.

    Regardless though, there isn't any rule that says you can only have one mentor. And with so much of our future tied up in those three point guards I think it's critically important to invest anything we can in their growth.

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    sure hope the Spurs take this this guy. The thought of them trading down, drafting for need, or trading for some old guy is a horrifying thought
    Givony is pretty plugged in these days now that he works for ESPN. If he says he's "99.9% sure" the Spurs are taking Harper #2 Overall, you should feel pretty safe about the pick tbh.

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