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Not a bad list.
But I doubt the Spurs would take someone as old as Fleming (21) or Coward (22) with a lottery pick.
There is a world where Queen drops because his Combine Stats were terrible from what I hear. Has Asa Newell fallen off that far that he shouldn't be considered?
I'd want Fleming but i'm think he's gone along with Bryant before our pick. There is also a possibility that a BPA falls to us that will attract other teams in which maybe we trade down out of the spot and take what the Spurs believe are the latter tiered PF/C's or tall SF.
Not a bad list.
But I doubt the Spurs would take someone as old as Fleming (21) or Coward (22) with a lottery pick.
IDK I still think Vassell might have more trade value than Keldon because of the numbers he put up in 23-24.
The only way I take a C at #14 is if Malauch, Sorber, or maybe Queen drop. I gwt my C at #38 or the FA market.
I actually think Keldon and Devin have positive value around the league. We over exaggerate their flaws here. I think most teams that would acquire them would sell it to their fanbase as a win or at least a significant asset.
Some of these idiots writing these articles are even stupider than me which is really bad.
This is very true because we see the losses along with every mistake they make and focus on that.
When other team's players miss a shot or some other typical miscue, I don't tend to remember that. I remember the shots they hit on us and good plays they made more.
Sometimes listening to the other team's announcers, they feel Vassell is a very deadly shooter and skilled wing, and Keldon Johnson they get pretty impressed at times with what a bull he can be when he is attacking the lane successfully.
It's probably AI.
I like Keldon better because of his relentless rim attacking off the bench. Sure he gets in stretches where he fumbles and gets stripped and we gnash our teeth, but I still think that is a more consistently reliable skill.
Vs. Vassell, who is a wildly inconsistent shooter known mainly for shooting.
I still have hope that both players are capable of shooting better (mainly 3 PT) for us once the overall team improves (and given the fact they are like 5th and 6th options at best), similar to D White going to BOS (except in this case hoping they show the improvement if still with us).
Keldon is a glue guy for the team. That is important. Vassell has the makings to be a good player on this team if he can fix his shot selection. He looks like the best catch and shoot player on the team, which is important for a team that could have 3 ballhandlers and 2 secondary playmakers.
You don't think they might try to play it safe knowing they won't be able to pay a star anyways assuming the money Wemby, Fox, Castle, and likely Harper will command? I just want a forward who can shoot if I'm drafting at 14.
I'm intrigued by Danny Wolf, but would not select him with the 14; however, I would be interested in trade-back scenarios if we could drop back from 14 into the 20s and receive a future 1st or swap - if possible. Here Danny Wolf would have a lot of appeal - a big body 7-footer (well, 6' 10.5" without shoes, 7' 2.25" wingspan = meets expectations) with exceptional passing skills and can function at any position on the floor. If I have to guess, he'll become an average 3-point shooter capable of average volume. Probably destined to be a solid role player, there's just a whiff of unicorn to his game that attracts me.
What are his numbers like on catch and shoot? I don't really know but I don't remember him being specifically good on those shots and his three ball is just a hair above league average. He can't be a primary scorer and burning shot clock in isolations on a team with this much talent and he just doesn't seem the assassin Unc is firing that three ball up immediately off the catch.
We need frontcourt size so badly, I like this 14-pick which seems to have a number of interesting options. Plus I think it is possible that this year's 14 is better than last year's eight. I'm not entirely buying that 2025 went from the best draft ever, vis a vis the 2024 draft, to suddenly a weak draft. That sounds overly pessimistic, these are still the same players as they were last year, even if some did not have as good a season as hoped.
Also as far as getting a frontcourt player at 14, think how simple of a role they will have, for example if on the floor with Fox/Castle/Harper/Wemby? Yes I know, queue the lambasting me for considering the 14 pick anything but a long term project who barely plays with the starters.
I don't have the stats, but from watching the games, he seemed like the most reliable catch and shoot player of the ones we had on the team. I agree there was a time when the Spurs wanted him to be a playmaker and scorer, but that role would change significantly if Harper is drafted. We badly need an elite shot maker. I was hoping for Kon, but that was before we got the number 2 pick and we can't pass on Harper.
From watching the games it didn't seem that way to me, but I'd love to be shown wrong if anyone has subs to the sites that track these kind of stats. Barnes seemed like the catch and shoot assassin, which is why I really don't want to trade him this summer.
Makes little sense to compare him to tre Jones.
And the Spurs are absolutely short on guys who can bring up the ball, so much so that Wemby spent half a season with Sochan doing it.
Kid is 6'10 and can do everything. Makes plenty of sense to swing for the fences on those types. Although the way the draft is looking, spurs will likely have better prospects available.
In 2021-2022, Keldon shot .398 from 3 on 5.3 attempts, and 97% of them were assisted. If they hadn’t tried to turn him into a 3 level off the bounce scorer, you wouldn’t be asking about his catch and shoot abilities.
To me, the landscape for pick #14 is the following:
8 players (Flagg, Harper, Bailey, Edgecombe, Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach) won't be there at #14.
For the 5 other players picked before #14, it will depend on each team own evaluation and need. Players like Derik Queen, CMB, Demin, Danny Wolf or Jace Richardson don't really fit into a traditional NBA player mold. Players like Essengue, Carter Bryant, Will Riley or Beringer are very raw prospects. All these players will be valued very differently by each team.
There are just tons of options at #14 whether it's to be picked by Spurs or used in a draft day trade.
Wiggins intrigues me too as a good option for Spurs. Heat might be interested in a trade around Barnes for Wiggins. They are said to be looking at having cap space for the 2026 summer.
Saying that, I'm not ready to give up as much as you for Wiggins. Trading #14 for him without getting at least #20 is a no go to me.
And Sochan successfully brought up the ball. And the Spurs added three guys since that time and are about to draft a fourth.
EDIT: wait wait wait. Why did I think we were talking about a backup point guard? I think I had a brain shart.
The #14 pick isn't the most expensive in the world, but comes with a decent guaranteed price tag. The Spurs are in good financial shape, but that can change quickly, and I'm sure they bear this in mind.
I'm sure they'll have a player or two in mind. If they don't see them available, they'll get out of the spot, either trading down the road or trading back.
Also the reason why we'll see Branham and Wesley still around next year. They're under contract and fine enough as third string guys, with Blake good enough to fill-in in a pinch.
Still think the 14th Pick will be moved unless somehow they really like and have valued much higher falls . Not against brining in 2 Rookies if it's the right ones, but I think PATFO might be more interested in giving themselves more future flexibility. Also curious to see how much Fleming moves up Draft Boards after the Combine.
Seconded. And I doubt any of those 3 guys are available at 14. That's why I think 14 ultimately gets moved.
There's a lot of active threads going on. Hard to keep up with the excitement tbh.
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