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    not sure if this is old news and im not in da loop like you guys...but..
    go to the 3:00 mark and check out his answer to how he thinks he fits with the dallas roster?

    apologies if this is old news -

    It’s basic media training my dude. Also, the ESPN numb nuts keep trying to peg him on the Dallas question, but I’m pretty sure there are rules about how much he can talk about specific teams. It was like when they kept asking the Spurs about Wemby’s fit after the draft, and the Spurs kept hedging answers even though we all knew Wemby was the pick. These analysts should know better.

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    It’s basic media training my dude. Also, the ESPN numb nuts keep trying to peg him on the Dallas question, but I’m pretty sure there are rules about how much he can talk about specific teams. It was like when they kept asking the Spurs about Wemby’s fit after the draft, and the Spurs kept hedging answers even though we all knew Wemby was the pick. These analysts should know better.
    got you...i must have brain farted into a belief it was officially a done deal and dallas was his team...

    which will probably happen - but of course - this was not the actual draft - duh!

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    Flagg is a Tatum level star
    Harper has a range to become a Cade level star to a JDub level star. Folks are saying Harden but to shoot as well as Harden does, Harper has a LONG way to go

    Everyone after Harper has questions of whether they can become a star or not. Harper and Flagg both have “definite” s om tagged to them.

    The gap between Harper’s max potential and current Giannis is big though
    Yeah, 2nd all of this, both have franchise level upside but Flagg have more and an easier path.

    The thing with Harden that I don't think people realize is he is very likely the best ever at getting to the line while taking tons of 3s.
    Harden's career FTr is an absurd 51%, in the range with Giannis and Butler at 52% and 53%, but Giannis only takes 14% of his shoots from 3, while Jimmy only 19%. FTr and 3PAr are typically inverse, Wemby's FTr plummetted this yr bc his 3PAr highrocketed.
    Harden's taken 47% of his shots from 3 and still goes to the line 51% of the time. That's insane. For reference, Shaqs FTr was 58% and a huge chunk of that was initial.

    Where I'm really high on Castle (to maybe reach star) and now Harper (to maybe reach SS) is FTr, forcing the issue, drawing fouls, getting free points. Castle was at 38% FTr at UConn, translated to top 30 in all-nba last yr at 35%, #15 overall excluding part-time Cs who always dominate FTr.
    Harper was at 42% at Rutgers, that's SGA level. And FTr tends to translate bc its a factor of play style and body control.
    Between Fox, Castle and Harper Spurs guards are gonna draw a ton of fouls. All 3 could be top 50 in FTr and I almost expect top 30 for Castle and Harper. Excited.

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    They basically need a starting PG, and Uncle Chris still is that. He started all 82, and with a competent backup, he might do it again. Dallas has no means to get what you’re advocating.
    CP3 is their best bet, maybe he takes min to keep starting, and healthy AD + Flagg w/CP3 and Co will fight for POs.
    That #1 slot money with Flagg maxxed is $13.8M, that puts then more than $1M into the second apron as it stands now. They don't have any assets and shouldn't trade them anyways for a stop-gap, 40y/o CP3 is prolly the best PG they can actually get.

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    CP3 is their best bet, maybe he takes min to keep starting, and healthy AD + Flagg w/CP3 and Co will fight for POs.
    That #1 slot money with Flagg maxxed is $13.8M, that puts then more than $1M into the second apron as it stands now. They don't have any assets and shouldn't trade them anyways for a stop-gap, 40y/o CP3 is prolly the best PG they can actually get.
    They'll need to move PJ taking back less salary to get under that apron.

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    They'll need to move PJ taking back less salary to get under that apron.
    Teams can now trade players into another team's MLE, so Dallas could just offload PJ for nothing if they get desperate. PJ is a good enough player that the receiving team shouldn't demand additional assets.

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    Teams can now trade players into another team's MLE, so Dallas could just offload PJ for nothing if they get desperate. PJ is a good enough player that the receiving team shouldn't demand additional assets.
    Interesting...that's good to know..

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    They'll need to move PJ taking back less salary to get under that apron.
    CP3 for PJ Washington sign and trade

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    CP3 for PJ Washington sign and trade
    I don't hate it. It'd benefit both teams.

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    honestly, flagg is #1 but not head and shoulders above harper. this is not a case of Wemby and everyone else, where if healthy, he has the best career of that class, hands down. harper is right there on flagg's heels.

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    Don't know enough about either one but to me Flagg seems to be the sure #1 choice. Only thing I'll say is that the comps I've seen online are insane. Kawhi Leanord, KG... a combination. To me he's gonna be an 18, 8, 3 assists maybe a steal and a block plus defend his position. What's he really great at?

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    Flagg has perfect fit for Spurs. Harper would require some thinking to fit him, Castle, Fox, Vassell.
    if Spurs pick Harper it is unlikely Vassell stay unless Mitch considers Harper needs G league playing time

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    CP3 for PJ Washington sign and trade
    do the spurs have sufficient rights w/ paul to do a sign and trade?

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    if Spurs pick Harper it is unlikely Vassell stay unless Mitch considers Harper needs G league playing time
    Fox 32 minutes
    Castle 32 minutes
    Vassell 28 minutes
    Harper 28 minutes
    Champagnie 24 minutes

    1 through 3 that adds up to 144 and I don’t see the problem.

    Wembanyama 32 minutes
    ????? 16 minutes

    That’s a problem.

    ????? 32 minutes
    Barnes 16 minutes

    That’s a problem.

    Sochan and Johnson should be deep-bench and out of the rotation.

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    Yeah, 2nd all of this, both have franchise level upside but Flagg have more and an easier path.

    The thing with Harden that I don't think people realize is he is very likely the best ever at getting to the line while taking tons of 3s.
    Harden's career FTr is an absurd 51%, in the range with Giannis and Butler at 52% and 53%, but Giannis only takes 14% of his shoots from 3, while Jimmy only 19%. FTr and 3PAr are typically inverse, Wemby's FTr plummetted this yr bc his 3PAr highrocketed.
    Harden's taken 47% of his shots from 3 and still goes to the line 51% of the time. That's insane. For reference, Shaqs FTr was 58% and a huge chunk of that was initial.

    Where I'm really high on Castle (to maybe reach star) and now Harper (to maybe reach SS) is FTr, forcing the issue, drawing fouls, getting free points. Castle was at 38% FTr at UConn, translated to top 30 in all-nba last yr at 35%, #15 overall excluding part-time Cs who always dominate FTr.
    Harper was at 42% at Rutgers, that's SGA level. And FTr tends to translate bc its a factor of play style and body control.
    Between Fox, Castle and Harper Spurs guards are gonna draw a ton of fouls. All 3 could be top 50 in FTr and I almost expect top 30 for Castle and Harper. Excited.
    James Harden is a 36% career 3 point shooter. It’s not like trying to match Steph Curry.

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    do the spurs have sufficient rights w/ paul to do a sign and trade?
    he's on the team until they renounce his cap hold. So a sign and trade would be possible if he wants to go to a team that doesn't have the money to sign him. Then again at his age he'd probably play for vet minimum if it's a contender. Maybe Brian Wright can pull a rabbit out the hat.

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    Fox 32 minutes
    Castle 32 minutes
    Vassell 28 minutes
    Harper 28 minutes
    Champagnie 24 minutes

    1 through 3 that adds up to 144 and I don’t see the problem.

    Wembanyama 32 minutes
    ????? 16 minutes

    That’s a problem.

    ????? 32 minutes
    Barnes 16 minutes

    That’s a problem.

    Sochan and Johnson should be deep-bench and out of the rotation.
    What I mean is that Spurs are full of guards, Vassell is the one who has value and expendable in the 4. If you keep everybody you have to deal with who plays GT or in the 4th, would also mean plenty of small balls other than Victor. You have also Fox is usually playing 37/38 mpg, with the Spurs he was at 34 not sure he will be thrilled to see his minutes go down further. Even without Vassell it's a headache.

    People are using OKC as an example but they have 2 guards at +32 mpg one at 28 and a bunch at 22 in a context of a lot of games with significant amount of garbage time during RS. POs OKC is a clear 2 man guard rotation Shai and Jaren at +35 then you have 2 at 20 caruso and wallace.

    It's a good problem to have but what Spurs need is as you wrote options of SF/PF and C tbh. So if you go harper I guess you trade Vassell to fill those needs

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    James Harden is a 36% career 3 point shooter. It’s not like trying to match Steph Curry.
    his point was FTs. Harden shoots a lot of 3s at 36% but goes to the line a lot thus efg% above .5

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    There is absolutely no reason to keep Vassell...much less play him 30 ing minutes.

    Be no longer chained by the power of friendship...break them and be made new.

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    his point was FTs. Harden shoots a lot of 3s at 36% but goes to the line a lot thus efg% above .5
    free throws dont factor into efg%

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    Like a previous poster pondered, how much sweetner would the Mavs need to move from #1 to #2? How much besides #2 and #14? A boatload of #2's maybe a Spurs #1 down the line? Can that get it done? Flagg is a better fit for the Spurs if they are going long term development than Harper, and if Mav's see them anywhere near close in skill a swap might happen.

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    Like a previous poster pondered, how much sweetner would the Mavs need to move from #1 to #2? How much besides #2 and #14? A boatload of #2's maybe a Spurs #1 down the line? Can that get it done? Flagg is a better fit for the Spurs if they are going long term development than Harper, and if Mav's see them anywhere near close in skill a swap might happen.
    I wouldn't offer more than #2, #14 and their '30 swap returned. Maaaaaybe one more FRP and whatever seconds they'd like.
    But it's not happening.

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    Like a previous poster pondered, how much sweetner would the Mavs need to move from #1 to #2? How much besides #2 and #14? A boatload of #2's maybe a Spurs #1 down the line? Can that get it done? Flagg is a better fit for the Spurs if they are going long term development than Harper, and if Mav's see them anywhere near close in skill a swap might happen.
    Flagg is a better fit on the Spurs and Harper is a better fit on the Mavs, so it would be beneficial for Dallas to trade down... but it would be a PR nightmare for their fans.

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    I wouldn't offer more than #2, #14 and their '30 swap returned. Maaaaaybe one more FRP and whatever seconds they'd like.
    But it's not happening.
    That is a huge haul for a player who we don't know is really going to be THAT good. I'd rather just take Harper and use the assets for something else.

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    That is a huge haul for a player who we don't know is really going to be THAT good. I'd rather just take Harper and use the assets for something else.
    If LeBowen's offer worked you'd make that trade 10 times out of 10..

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