Forgot about det tbh.
yeah Cam definitely fits better than Devin both positionally as well as skillset. less on-ball stuff which we dont need from that spot anyway, but significantly better 3pt shooter with legit ability to punish closeouts and score in a variety of ways. defensively its kind of a wash, though vassell seemed like he was... turning the corner a bit and began making quite a few plays on defense down the stretch
So any recent chatter regarding Zion Williamson? He still expected to be available? Wonder what the asking price is.
I figured this was the year the Pels finally moved on from him but then there he was representing the Pelicans on Draft Lottery night...was that a vote of confidence or a punishment for him? If I was one of the tanking teams who struck out in the draft lottery again I would seriously be considering a trade for Zion if the price was low enough. If it flops, you're still tanking and if he somehow puts it together you have a top 10 player potentially.
What’s Jerace Walker’s value these days? I wonder if he might benefit from a change of scenery and be a decent buy-low option.
There you go... mo7888 and I would champion this one
Imagine paying Bam $60M in the last year of his deal...
Damn skippy...
Even better than a Gianni trade if we’re talking about timeline. I would do it.
I mean it's a good fit, but what kind of package are we talking?
It'll be 29% of the cap. Maybe a little bit of an overpay but not that much of one for a defensive ace. Just gotta remember the 10% yearly bumps in cap when looking at these contract numbers. In 28-29 you're talking about a cap that's 46% higher than what we have now (1.1^4 = 1.46).
Pelicans will keep him, because without him, they suck. They have no choice to ride it out. Like who cares if they get some crappy firsts or a crap contract to get rid of him, they are dead in the water. May as well ride his contract out and just hope things work out.
I don't mind the Chinook KD proposal, though I'd really like to keep #14 because otherwise draft night will be boring as .
Sochan, KJ and Wesley should be enough, maybe some seconds instead. Durant is a bad night from being thoroughly washed, is getting worse on defense, and as a diva is a bad idea for a rookie head coach
Sochan's attention seeking hair coloring is most effective at tricking people into thinking he's better than he is because it makes him memorable. One of the best games of his career was against Phoenix also.
Don’t want Durant or Giannis; after looking at it though, Adebayo is only 27, is a great defender, can rebound and shoot the 3. His contract is a bit much, but we may be able to get him cheaper (Vassell and filler, maybe a couple picks a year or so out). At least look into it.
Moving this over from the Harper thread where it was suggested that Brooklyn would move #8 + 3 firsts + Cam for #2...
Here's the type of deal that would entice me to trade #2, and this assumes Miami would move Bam:
Heat- Keldon + #14 + #26 + #38 + 2027 atl pick + Wesley + Branham
Brooklyn- Devin + #2
Spurs- Bam + Cam + #8 + 2029 NY pick + 2031 NY pick
#2 + Keldon + Devin for #8 + Cam Johnson + Nic Claxton + 2026 FRP
You lose a potential franchise player but clear out The Power of Friendship in exchange for pieces the Spurs (sharpshooting wing, size) need plus you still get a useful contributor at 8 and probably another lottery ticket from BKN in 2026.
Personally I’d keep Harper and plug the roster holes some other way but I think this is what a doable trade would look like.
I'm out on that. I'm not even sure I'd do the Bam trade, but it would take someone of Bam's caliber to even make me consider it.
I wouldn't trade any of Harper/Castle. Spurs should only go all in with their future picks if it's another Fox like fleece.
contract wise he'd give us a little more flexibility than adding Giannis. This would be a really intriguing deal tbh. Would still like to keep Castle & Harper though and just send them a gang of picks and role players. If that would be possible, which I highly doubt, you gotta do that deal.
not really an issue tbh. At that point the salary cap is 205 million and the luxury tax at 250 million. His deal would be 29% of the cap.
I’d give up Harper. Of course Harper could turn out good. It’s a risk I’ll take. I like Bam’s fit a lot— I’ve stated that before. And he and Fox are close. I think perfect synergy is there. We’ve got so many picks going forward. Another Harper might come. Doing this move means we are 100% behind Castle and him leading the way with Wemby. It’s just a less cloudy future, IMO.
It’s very hard to find a player like Bam. I can’t name a player like him in this draft— same as Aaron Gordon. Just a very rare archetype + talent combination.
since the GMing part is one of the most interesting things to me (which is why I picked this username), I just put some quick cap sheets for different trade scenarios together. I only have Wemby, Fox, Castle and Harper on it plus either Bam or Giannis. I put Champagnie's salary up as well since he's a bargain contract who could easily be in a playoff rotation of a top heavy contender.
All extensions are 30% of the cap with 8% raises. One would hope that Brian Wright can work some magic with Fox and get him to sign for a little less. I also got Castle signing the 30% max, which ain't set in stone. In the first scenario I'm trading Harper + fillers and picks for Giannis. Leaving us with this:
the first 2 years wouldn't be a problem with Wemby and Castle still on rookie deals. There's plenty of room to keep players like Barnes and Keldon or add players via trade, MLE, etc. Once Wemby's max extension is kicking in it gets significantly tighter. Giannis has a player option for 66 million in the same year. This is more than he would earn if he opts out and resigns, since this is still the Bucks supermax deal. I then added a regular 30% max extension the year after. That's also where Castle's max kicks in as well.
Mind you at this point Giannis is 33 years old and probably wants a 5 year max, which means we're paying 37 year old Giannis 80+ million later down the line.
One could say this is where we have to move Fox, who's then 30. We most likely wouldn't have a lot of picks to include in that one though, unless we go even further into the future and trade our 2033 pick.
This process could be delayed by 1 year if we trade Castle in the deal and keep Harper instead.
The problem here is that by the 2029 (the latest), we'd be left with 34-year old Giannis with 3 more max years, Castle or Harper and Wemby while not having picks to trade until 2035. Having to do a bunch of cap gymnastics to form a good supporting cast while not having a lot of assets in the backpocket, leaves you in 2025 Nuggets, Bucks and Lakers territory and could make Wemby question his longterm future.
Here's the Bam scenario. I'd only do this if we can keep Castle and Harper, which is obviously close to impossible, but let's have some fun with it:
While the difference between Bam's and Giannis' contracts is only about 10 million per year after this season, the contract structure and age difference is much more suitable. This season with Bam only at 37 million would actually allow us to have a super deep roster. Again, things get tight once Wemby's extension kicks in.
In 27/28 we'd have about 35 million to fill out the roster and stay under the tax. The great thing is we already have 5 great players under contract who play multiple positions, so all we need is about 2 to 3 3-and-D wings to complete our rotation. Resigning Barnes and Champagnie for example would make sense for this long term scenario.
This would give us a 3-year window with prime Bam. By 28/29 somebody has to go. Bam has a player option for 60 million and will definitely opt in. At this point you probably move Fox (might have to attach a first round pick) and let Harper/Castle take over. The good thing is Bam would only be 31 and might resign for less. Even if you let him walk we're still left with a Wemby/Castle/Harper core.
Harper's extension would be due in 30/31, but we could actually carry these 3 contracts with the cap going up 10% yearly. At that point the luxury threshold is 300 million.
Bam is an enticing idea. I like it much better than Giannis or KD.
My gut says the Spurs want to build organically and what's better than a generational talent, a potential All-star and the #2 pick upon which to build? Add Fox to the mix and maybe pick #14 and we are looking at just adding role players and letting the team learn to win together over time. That's the route I bet they take, but, I've been wrong plenty of times. This offseason will be very telling of the Spurs plans and vision.
I think RCD does a great job in showing why guys like Giannis and Bam make no sense but why Durant makes a lot of sense. 2027-2028 is the real break year -- you aren't keeping three maxes after that year. So there's really no benefit in bringing in a younger guy. You end up paying a premium for a player because you're acquiring the right to have him for several years but only getting a couple of years of value out of them. An older player you're acquiring for a couple of years and paying for a couple of years.
The Spurs aren't going to be a deep-tax team. I doubt they'll ever pay repeater tax. They aren't touching that second apron. While I don't think it's ridiculous to try to line up Fox's salary, Vassell's salary and that of a third star to where they all dip in the year Wemby's extension kicks in, that's so much harder if the third star is a guy in his prime. Asking KD to give up a few million in the last year of his extension is very different than asking Giannis to take a few million off the first year of his extension (which prorogates down the rest of the years), and it's impossible for Bam to take less because that year's already locked in. Eventually, the Spurs are going to have to transition into a two-star team ala Durant and Westbrook. They have a few years to figure out who those two stars will be, but it feels likely it'll be Wemby and his PF.
F no to Bam. He is not worth the money he is being paid and that would clog the cap space for someone who could be replaced cheaper, not event starting with what Pat would want for him
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