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    100% Spurs material and close friend of Wemby

    He can shoot/stretch, defend and a lot more mobile than expected as shown in the combine

    I'd take him with the 14th

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    It would be perfect timing. For a first pick, the choice is made around the best available potential. For a second, around the best player available. And this seems to me especially valid for contender teams. Are the Spurs now a playoff team?


    The best possible comparison in my opinion would be the Lakers' choice last year of Konnect (I don't remember how it's spelled). Old, but the best player available capable of being immediately impactful.


    Of course, last year, at pick 14, that was precisely where we expected Konnect, from memory. And even if Raynaud seems to be climbing in mocks, it still seems high.


    The question that probably arises is not whether the Spurs would be interested. But if they are interested in another player at the time of the 14th pick.


    I was the first lawyer to associate Victor with another Frenchman, like Sarr, like Salaün, even Yabusele. But Raynaud already seems better to me than Sarr and Salaün. In a healthy environment, an intelligent player will necessarily adapt much better. So he is already better, but in my opinion he still has room for improvement. While Sarr and Salaün operate among children's playgrounds or gang backyards, it could be that by combining two chess players the silver and black turns into a chessboard.


    Regarding his defense, you shouldn't see everything through the blocks. I watched his last college games. He is very impressive vocally. How that would translate with other teammates remains to be seen, but when you have Sochan and Keldon Johnson, I guess it helps.


    I would also be impatient to see Raynaud associated with Mamukelashvili.


    Last anecdotal point. Raynaud sounds like Reynaud, Émile Reynaud, one of the inventors of cinema (he maded the first preserved cartoon, Pauvre Pierrot). Austin has the oldest known photograph, I can't wait to see Maxime Raynaud presenting a 'film' by Émile Reynaud at the Alamo Mission...

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    Fun fact - in this now famous video of 16 year old Wemby playing 2 v 2 against Gobert, Raynaud is actually the guy he's playing with against Gobert and Vincent Poirier

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    100% Spurs material and close friend of Wemby

    He can shoot/stretch, defend and a lot more mobile than expected as shown in the combine

    I'd take him with the 14th
    Moves are awkward and slow.

    Spurs will have better options at 14.

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    I just don't see one of them not being there at 14. Plus players like essengue and flemming i find more appeal (maybe even wolf). If the spurs see so much value however, I wouldn't mind maybe spurs trading back Boston's pick swap for their 28th pick. It's not a lock but chances would be more substantial at getting raynaud atleast. Or the best available big.
    No keep that Boston pick swap. Raynaud is nothing special to trade any asset for.

    If he wasn't French there wouldn't even be any interest in him.

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    At age 22, he only shoots 3s at less than 35%.

    Not sure how much improvement he can make.

    I would rather trade down for 2 picks - one for him and one for Fleming.

    Double insurance.

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    At age 22, he only shoots 3s at less than 35%.

    Not sure how much improvement he can make.

    I would rather trade down for 2 picks - one for him and one for Fleming.

    Double insurance.
    Fleming was a sit in the corner guy in college. Raynaud was the focal point of his teams offense at Stanford. Much harder to get up shots when opposing defenses are focused on stopping you. We won’t get that level of attention in the NBA. I’m not saying Raynaud will be better than Fleming or vice versa. All I’m saying is percentages don’t always tell the story. College basketball is much different than the NBA style wise. Sometimes you have to look beyond the numbers. Production is important. Context is also important. Level of compe ion is also important. You have to piece everything together

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    Fleming was a sit in the corner guy in college. Raynaud was the focal point of his teams offense at Stanford. Much harder to get up shots when opposing defenses are focused on stopping you. We won’t get that level of attention in the NBA. I’m not saying Raynaud will be better than Fleming or vice versa. All I’m saying is percentages don’t always tell the story. College basketball is much different than the NBA style wise. Sometimes you have to look beyond the numbers. Production is important. Context is also important. Level of compe ion is also important. You have to piece everything together
    Make sense!

    Always love your analysis!

    Thank you for sharing!

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    100% Spurs material and close friend of Wemby

    He can shoot/stretch, defend and a lot more mobile than expected as shown in the combine

    I'd take him with the 14th
    If I am remembering right, Bruno didn't think he's worth drafting and number 14.

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    14 seems a bit too high for him but I’d consider it, we desperately need a backup big.

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    Moves are awkward and slow.

    Spurs will have better options at 14.
    Look at the whole picture, not just one aspect.

    As I said, his mobility is BETTER than expected, obviously not elite (yet)

    But the package this kid brings is super rare, let's not underrate a very high IQ, a close relationship with Victor, a reliable 3pts shooting and already very good defensive mechanics that can only improve with time (and an elite work ethic).

    He has the inside/out game we're looking for and the size and defensive presence to help when Vic rests or even being partnered with. Bring in a vet Big to mentor him (and Vic) and we're good.

    Drafting a player is like choosing a partner, you don't chose her/him because of his/her qualities only but because you can deal with his/her bad/weak aspects.

    His (lack of) mobility isn't the red flag I though it was, I find him about the same as Edey last summer and this one showed he can be more than useful

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    If I am remembering right, Bruno didn't think he's worth drafting and number 14.
    I didn't think either mainly bc of his alleged terrible mobility, I was told he's just a stick of the floor and what I've seen at the combine REALLY surprised me.

    No idea about Bruno (who's opinion I value too)'s pov, maybe he's changed his mind too

    I have a feeling the big man's game is slowly coming back in the NBA and we've even seen this season a few teams partnering 2 bigs. I think we need to draft one with the 14th

    The in/out game with Wemby and another big that can shoot is what will make us unplayable

    Not adding another player who can't shoot and needs the ball in his hands all the time (Giannis smh)

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    14 seems a bit too high for him but I’d consider it, we desperately need a backup big.
    Backup or starter

    We quit too early on putting Vic with another big bc of Zollins's inability to score

    Just imagine Vic and a big that can pass and shoot...

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    No keep that Boston pick swap. Raynaud is nothing special to trade any asset for.

    If he wasn't French there wouldn't even be any interest in him.
    Will the Spurs have to pay a tariff on him (and Wemby)?

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    I didn't think either mainly bc of his alleged terrible mobility, I was told he's just a stick of the floor and what I've seen at the combine REALLY surprised me.

    No idea about Bruno (who's opinion I value too)'s pov, maybe he's changed his mind too

    I have a feeling the big man's game is slowly coming back in the NBA and we've even seen this season a few teams partnering 2 bigs. I think we need to draft one with the 14th

    The in/out game with Wemby and another big that can shoot is what will make us unplayable

    Not adding another player who can't shoot and needs the ball in his hands all the time (Giannis smh)
    Here's some of Bruno's thoughts about it a day or so ago. He had a couple of posts on it about a day or so ago :
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...1#post11243743
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...1#post11244056

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    Promising!

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    It would be perfect timing. For a first pick, the choice is made around the best available potential. For a second, around the best player available. And this seems to me especially valid for contender teams. Are the Spurs now a playoff team?


    The best possible comparison in my opinion would be the Lakers' choice last year of Konnect (I don't remember how it's spelled). Old, but the best player available capable of being immediately impactful.


    Of course, last year, at pick 14, that was precisely where we expected Konnect, from memory. And even if Raynaud seems to be climbing in mocks, it still seems high.


    The question that probably arises is not whether the Spurs would be interested. But if they are interested in another player at the time of the 14th pick.


    I was the first lawyer to associate Victor with another Frenchman, like Sarr, like Salaün, even Yabusele. But Raynaud already seems better to me than Sarr and Salaün. In a healthy environment, an intelligent player will necessarily adapt much better. So he is already better, but in my opinion he still has room for improvement. While Sarr and Salaün operate among children's playgrounds or gang backyards, it could be that by combining two chess players the silver and black turns into a chessboard.


    Regarding his defense, you shouldn't see everything through the blocks. I watched his last college games. He is very impressive vocally. How that would translate with other teammates remains to be seen, but when you have Sochan and Keldon Johnson, I guess it helps.


    I would also be impatient to see Raynaud associated with Mamukelashvili.


    Last anecdotal point. Raynaud sounds like Reynaud, Émile Reynaud, one of the inventors of cinema (he maded the first preserved cartoon, Pauvre Pierrot). Austin has the oldest known photograph, I can't wait to see Maxime Raynaud presenting a 'film' by Émile Reynaud at the Alamo Mission...
    Is this translated to English using Google Translate and copy paste here? Because it reads like it was

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    At age 22, he only shoots 3s at less than 35%.

    Not sure how much improvement he can make.

    I would rather trade down for 2 picks - one for him and one for Fleming.

    Double insurance.
    the thing is Raynaud was the #1 option for his team though. That and NBA spacing being much better would likely mean he could shoot it at an higher percentage, because he'd be wide open more often than not. He's also NBA ready because he's older. I like him a lot, just think he'd be gettable in the early 20s. If the Spurs really want him just trade #14 to Brooklyn for #19 + #28. I'd rather go 3-and-D wing at 14, but wouldn't be mad with the pick.

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    ^^ Raynaud is an interesting prospect but I'm not that high on him because he is below average defensively.

    To me, centers first quality should be a to be a dissuasive force defensively in the paint. When a team doesn't have that presence in the middle, playing good defense is so much more difficult.
    In this draft I'm not as high as most on player like Derrick Queen or Maxime Raynaud. It's just that I find it very difficult to turn this kind of players into players who help to win games because their lack of defense hurt a team so much.

    Saying that, I wish hard to be wrong about Raynaud. It's remarkable how he has been able to navigate between academics and playing basketball.

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    Here's some of Bruno's thoughts about it a day or so ago. He had a couple of posts on it about a day or so ago :
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...1#post11243743
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...1#post11244056
    I agree with him on the athleticism part but the Zollins comparison is tough, he's much better imo

    He might be a late(r) pick depending on who's available and tbh I don't know much about that.

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    It would be perfect timing. For a first pick, the choice is made around the best available potential. For a second, around the best player available. And this seems to me especially valid for contender teams. Are the Spurs now a playoff team?


    The best possible comparison in my opinion would be the Lakers' choice last year of Konnect (I don't remember how it's spelled). Old, but the best player available capable of being immediately impactful.


    Of course, last year, at pick 14, that was precisely where we expected Konnect, from memory. And even if Raynaud seems to be climbing in mocks, it still seems high.


    The question that probably arises is not whether the Spurs would be interested. But if they are interested in another player at the time of the 14th pick.


    I was the first lawyer to associate Victor with another Frenchman, like Sarr, like Salaün, even Yabusele. But Raynaud already seems better to me than Sarr and Salaün. In a healthy environment, an intelligent player will necessarily adapt much better. So he is already better, but in my opinion he still has room for improvement. While Sarr and Salaün operate among children's playgrounds or gang backyards, it could be that by combining two chess players the silver and black turns into a chessboard.


    Regarding his defense, you shouldn't see everything through the blocks. I watched his last college games. He is very impressive vocally. How that would translate with other teammates remains to be seen, but when you have Sochan and Keldon Johnson, I guess it helps.


    I would also be impatient to see Raynaud associated with Mamukelashvili.


    Last anecdotal point. Raynaud sounds like Reynaud, Émile Reynaud, one of the inventors of cinema (he maded the first preserved cartoon, Pauvre Pierrot). Austin has the oldest known photograph, I can't wait to see Maxime Raynaud presenting a 'film' by Émile Reynaud at the Alamo Mission...
    Missed that post...

    Again it depends on who's available at 14, but he fits a lot of our needs and type of profile/character

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    I'd draft him in the low 20s, but not at 14
    Can't wait to see what Bkn does with their 4 1sts + 36, can't imagine they keep all 4 1sts.
    Trading 14 and filler for 19 and 26/27, especially if BKN loves someone at 14.

    Ideally that'd land us Bryant or Flemming or McNeely (tested almost identically to Harper on athletic tests, better than Edgecome at everything but Max Vert) and Raynaud if Spurs buy his D. Could still package 26 + 38 to move up a few spots to take Raynaud if worried or Wolf if he falls.
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    I don't know what it is but this guy is taller than Flagg, played in the ACC and averaged more points, rebounds and blocks than Flagg. I'll take him

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    Another French option next to Raynaud for pick 14 would be Noah Penda. The mocks prefer Essengue (which I don't like at all) and Traoré, but for a year, Penda's level has been exceptional.


    Yesterday, for the last regular season game, he had the best evaluation of all the games played with 18 points, 13 rebounds, 8 assists and 3 blocks, shooting 2/4 at 3s. A few months ago, during he best French prospects game, he had already been the best player (next to a young PG of barely 16 years old who will undoubtedly be a top 10 in the draft one day).


    If the Spurs feel they can acquire an interior on the market or via a trade, or if Raynaud has been pick higher (ah, salaünesque), Penda at 14# could be an interesting option.

    He plays SF/PF. It's a sort of Batum, less high flyer (at the time), stronger, but already playing point forward. In his team (the same one from Batum), he runs the floor like a PG, he manages his teammates older than him. In his match yesterday, he rarely made the wrong choice, and in that, you can also compare him to Boris Diaw. He does everything on the floor, and in Spurs tradition, he is only bad at FT.

    Still high at 14, but between Traoré and Essengue, I take Penda. (But I would also take Perrin - who played little in his team and who was one of the leaders of the same young French team as Penda and Risacher - before Essengue). His value can still move up as his team is in the PO (not Traoré's one).

    As for Raynaud's defense, I prefer a big who doesn't jump, but who puts his hands high and can box out, rather than a Sarr who jumps on all the feints and who practices the relaxing zen massage on the rebound against his opponents.

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    I like Noah Penda but the reason I’m connecting Raynaud to the Spurs is because of the massive need for another big on this team. I’m going to keep bringing up that the Spurs were bottom of the league in almost every rebounding category. It’s the biggest weakness on the team. I like all the French prospects in this draft. Raynaud just makes the most sense considering fit. Even if he is just a backup Center it would be a solid pick even as a reach at 14.

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