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Wemby being a finesse franchise big, I truly feel we need an enforcer/gorilla big that’s willing to inflict damage on any opposing player that cheap shots Wemby.
Offseason wish:
Draft Harper and sign Malik Beasley, Jake LaRavia, and Luke Kornet
Spurs would then have a base 10-man rotation of:
fox, harper
castle, beasley
champ, laravia
barnes, sochan
wemby, kornet
with Vassell and Johnson being on the trading block for a starting PF (J Collins?)
use picks 14 and 38 however you see fit
Wemby being a finesse franchise big, I truly feel we need an enforcer/gorilla big that’s willing to inflict damage on any opposing player that cheap shots Wemby.
I worry Spurs will draft Harper and then they will spend whole season looking how make Fox, Harper, Vassell, Castle work.
Upgrade the coaching support staff. But likely wishful thinking.
Wish the spurs will provide a clear vision of what the team will be and decide on the components and roles required.
Get a bunch of development staff and develop the required skills.
Decide whether the existing players can develop those skills or ship them out for players that have/can develop those skills.
Not focusing on fixing the rebounding issue is my concern. Rebounding is so crucial, and we are terrible at it. It’s such a fundamental aspect, if we can’t rebound it truly doesn’t matter how good we are in other parts of the game.
I worry about the development staff.
I worry about Mitch being rigid with his rook instead of going for it and seeing what happens.
I worry about the FO not being more aggressive and not do things that might make the team uncomfortable, but it's for the better like trading popular faces for better fits and so forth.
I worry about Pop being El Jefe (although I am totally buying that shirt) and giving bad advice from a place that ownership says "Okay".
I worry about Wemby's health and that's not about the clot. It's just a general worry about someone with spider limbs and not a lot of musculature to protect them.
My wishes are basically the opposite remarks of my worries, to simplify this post.
Y'all seriously overrate the importance of head coaches. The most they do is lineups, and I don't think we'll have to worry about Wesley or Branham getting minutes any time soon.
Worries:
-The Spurs getting the second pick, weirdly screwed up their roster plans. They pretty much have to take Harper given his age, talent and potential. Them not trading him probably forecloses on a Giannis trade and creates a log jam on the perimeter.
-Aforementioned log jam, would probably mean that Harper doesn't get a lot of minutes.
-Even if Harper does start, I'm concerned about the spacing, more than ever. Even if they draft a shooter at 14 or sign one how would they even get minutes?
-A lack of shooting could a death-knell for the team ceiling long-term.
-Still not fully sold on Sochan. If he doesn't become a good shooter this season, then what is he? An undersized center who can defend well on the perimeter, crash the glass and finish well at the rim? That's not un-useful but I don't think he and Wembanyama can consistently play together so that would pretty much limit him to like 20 minutes a game.
-Wembanyama becoming a legit stretch five is great but still want him to be able to consistently score in the paint. We haven't really seen that yet.
Good topic.
My worries is the spurs being too conservative on this offseason. You don't need to trade for Giannis or Durant, but there is salary you can use for upgrades.
disagree
all you have to do is look at rick carlisle at indiana…carlisle in dallas…
wherever he goes he turns that team into a contender…
look at udoka…winning consistently at boston and now at houston…
And others…
there is more to it than just throwing out a starting five and calling timeouts…
pop in his prime was a huge reason for the spurs les…
My worry is Pop is still fully in charge, everyone in the Org/Operations side is there without question because of Pop put them there and fully deferring to him. He chose Mitch, first as an assistant, then as the go to/in waiting (likely plan in place before the stroke).
I'm worried the org, including the SSE ownership/Holts, don't really understand Pops condition because its a personal matter, Pops private...Bess Truman is running the ing show. One of the hallmarks of strokes is often the patient/affected person does not have insight into their condition.
Pop quite literally built the Spurs under Holt ownership.- Timeline for those that don't remember or know
91-92' Pop was here on Larry Brown staff as an assistant coach
McCombs fired Brown (and staff including Pop), McCombs sells, Holts bring Pop in as GM.
David is incredible reg season guy, generally great in POs but often has lil or no help.
Spurs win 55-60+ games a yr, but fall to Barkley, Stockton/Malone, Hakeem/Drexler. Pop as GM does very little to get DR help. Gets Elliot back for nothing after a terrible yr in Det, but sells (totally headcase/suicidal) Rodman still the best rebounder/top5 D-er for Will Perdue. But like not drafting Senguin, that leads to the triple towers, Timmy, best sports run in history.
Pop runs every aspect of the Spurs from '99 on, dominates sports in a way no small market team has any business doing (and should've won more, f-ing .3/Fisher, tip of the Hat to Dirk/Jet on '05, Timmy's foot, f-ing Ray Allen!!!-- but thanks Suns bench for the freebie in '07 cuz that 7 sec team had our number).
Spurs find and/or develop gem after gem, Pop rightly gives Timmy (and implicitly DR) every bit of credit for 2 decades.
Spurs finally start getting FAs. Manu's still around, no interest in ever getting credit. Spurs pluck Dejounte, have Kawhi and Aldridge & Danny even Pau, KA and Davis look liked NBA players...Manu's spirit and Timmy's D were heart of beautiful game, but damn, we can keep this going. Pop's got this. He's getting stars or former stars that want to play beautiful.
Then Pops starts believing his hype. Uncle gets blame, but no way Pop's ego wasn't a huge factor with Kawhi. Just no way. Pop treated Kawhi like garbage, never gave him his dues, never came close to giving him George Hill love. Spurs past decade looks a lot different if Pop treated Kawhi like Hill, but he treated him like a 19y/o Tony...but this time without Timmy and Manu and when Kawhi was a massive part of '14 ('13) and clearly the future. And autistic Kawhi was not Tony. He needed love.
Post-Timmy Pop is now unconstrained. Pop fully integrates and KNOWS he's the best coach ever, he's the best executive ever. His side-line interview schtick becomes reality. TD/Tony/Manu are gone, but he's got 5 'ships- He won 5...He did it. Pop did it. That past generation was the beautiful game, know your f-ing place Kawhi. Danny Green knows his, Patty knows his.
Basketball no longer appears to be important, certainly not top-of-mind. Non-basketball issues dominate, why are you asking about basketball at a basketball press conference, we have world events to discuss. At ude very much appears to be "I'm the best, I've proven it, why are you even talking basketball". Development stops, success stops.
But we can't question it. The beautiful game was amazing. In '13 & '14 (and at all times before), all credit was given by Pop to Timmy/DR/Tony/Manu for crediting it, putting ego aside to develop and produce it. By 2020- it was Pop. I did that, I built this.
He did, he built this. The entire organization is his guys, company men. Loyal men. Loyal. Don't question, Pop's got it. Pop got you here, Pop's got it.
Pop told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was his final, most essential command. That's were we are. Don't expect quality decisions from the stroke guy or his acolytes. Hope for the best, expect the worst.
He's Joe Paterno, its clear he will never walk away willingly. He's got too much politics to discuss, basketball. Be happy for what I built (but what DR/Timmy/Manu actually built and Chip and all those other assistants developed). I've always loved Pop, past tense. The fact he's still president is gross, but his brain ischemia and ego won't let him acknowledge it. Pop did have it before his ego took over, when he properly credited David for setting the tone, Timmy for bringing the greatness, Manu and Tony for wholly accepting their roles and growing only into open sunlight. Kawhi had nothing but sunshine, a championship(s) to win without Timmy, but Pop's ego took over, it needed all of the sunshine. That's the same guy today, he needs the sun, all of it. His ego is bigger than Wemby is long. I expect the worse, just hoping he goes before he makes Wemby is the next Kawhi.
Worries: the front office overvaluing the friendship crew. Gotta trade at least 1 of them (preferably Vassell).
Wishes: getting more 3 and D players.
Not going to debate your post, I just wanted to nitpick it was Woodrow Wilson that was president and had a stroke and his wife ran interference for him, not Harry Truman.
HOPES: we bring in 2 seasoned vets, including someone to help Wemby defensively (Lopez; Capella)
WORRIES: making a bad tradedown move during the draft.
This. I read an article the other day from a bucks beat writer. The le was something like “the spurs may want Giannis, but they’re not going to want what it takes to get him.” He explicitly states that (in his opinion) Milwaukee won’t give him up for less than #2, #14, ATL 27 FRP, another future spurs FRP, Castle, and whatever young players (specifically identifying Vassell, Johnson, and Sochan) it takes to make salaries match. I don’t think they could ever get that, but I don’t think it’s far off from what they would be asking for. Let Miami, LA, or Houston mortgage their future, we shouldn’t even be entertaining it.
Then they'll end up either having a disgruntled star or moving him for veteran players elsewhere
That sounds interesting and all, but this story still has a long way to go. Giannis still has to communicate what he wants, including what the consequences are to an acquiring teams if he doesnt like the destination (e.g., Nets). That will obviously scope down the teams and the demands to a point.
Both of those teams you mentioned have an elite roster
You’re right. He could really hamstring them if he chooses to and there’s still a lot more to play out. But based on early indications it doesn’t sound like he wants to bend the winds of favor in the spurs direction. Early reports were he wanted NY, LA, or Miami. Recently he was asked what his favorite cities were to travel to for away games and he wrote back “Florida teams”. I guess we’ll see how it plays out, but it doesn’t sound like he’s pulling a Fox for us.
no
carlisle arrived and began or at least was part of building the roster...allowing unknowns like nembhard, nesmith and others and facilitating a way to land siakam in a trade, etc...is part of being a winning coach
...i admit i dont know all the inner workings of how the pacers are contending today - but wherever carlisle goes - he builds a roster of guys who always torch the spurs and makes the playoffs wherever he goes...
both udoka and carlisle had some key pieces but imagine what either of those would do with wemby/castle/fox
i know they arent going anywhere - but mitch johnson is not in that league and we can all hope pop made a genius move and mitch is the next great coaching find...
My only wish: Wemby stay healthy.
That's all I am asking for
Still need a legit enforcer type vet like a Kevin Willlis type like that we had during some championship runs , especially to be a contrast to Wemby's finesse playstyle. Like a " respected" bruiser to come in and intimidate stronger players that are trying to bully Wemby around the court.
How happy is Steven Adam's with Houston right now? He would fit that mold perfectly
Unlike what we've seen of late when stars want trades, I think Giannis will be a good partner with MIL in finding his next home. I don't think Giannis has any animosity towards MIL, and has shown significant loyalty towards MIL in the past. He'll probably work with MIL on a reasonable list of acceptable cities and help them maximize their return.
Or... maybe not. Who knows.
According to the angry mob, some are geniuses who have discovered plutonium while others are idiots who know less than their miserable, in need of anger management asses.
Yeah and their reactions conveyed as much. You almost can't trade the consensus most desirable archetype (sizable offensive "engine" and Harper Jr. comes off as their type too) for anything short of Antetokounmpo (I don't see it happening), but by doing so they'll create an awkward at best and toxic at worst situation.
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