Fully agree.
I kind of like a trade being proposed between Chicago, Denver, and the Spurs.
Denver: Coby White, Kevin Huerter, Harrison Barnes
SAS: Michael Porter, Jr.
Chi: Keldon Johnson, Russell Westbrook, Zeke Nnaji, SA pick 38, Den 2031 1st, Min 2028 2nd (Via SA)
Fixes our bad three point shooting while only giving up Barnes, Johnson, and some useless seconds. Then we just need a backup big and we are set.
The issue is that Bucks don't want those 2nd/3rd option guys.
They either want young players with 1st option potential or high value picks.
I'd rather trade for Beal's awful contract expiring in 2 seasons than have Scottie Barnes earn $50M in 2030.
Wtf, that’s a terrible trade. MPJ is hot garbage on a terrible contract.
Barnes will only be 22% of the cap in 2030. Not a big deal.
I think TOR would heavily consider Scottie + Barrett + Walter + #9 + as many picks and swaps as TOR can legally provide.
Definitely a pass. MPJ wouldn't pass anyone's physical except DEN. Besides, Pop would reject solely based on MPJ's political stance lol
Ah the dude is a floor spreader. You aren't giving up anything that hurts you. And it's hard to get shooters on the cheap. I think this is a more realistic trade then some of the other things I see that are suggested.
big man basketball is back
If Bucks would consider that, then we should offer Devin+Keldon+Jeremy.
I misread the MIN28 SRP as a FRP. But it’s still an overpay as HB is better and a more valuable trade asset.
For all the times you accuse others of being weird, you certainly have your moments as well.If Bucks would consider that, then we should offer Devin+Keldon+Jeremy.
And here was I, thinking you can spot when I'm not fully serious.
But in all seriousness, I don't rate Scottie Barnes.
He's supposed to be an all-round player, but he's not really good at anything. Career 30% 3pt shooter, 27% this season.
He's obviously a tier below Keldon, but you have to agree there's some resemblance between two of them and putting up empty stats on bad rosters.
Then there's all the autism memes stuff, he's not doing himself any favors in some situations.
Ironic that both Celtic options have a high likelihood of not existing next year.big man basketball is back
To be clear, despite looking the part, I'd lean towards Porter Jr. not being the Spurs type and the first iteration was more so my read on hypothetically what they'd be interested in doing if they were, while the second iteration was more so my read on hypothetically what the Nuggets would be interested in if they were.
He offers spacing at all times, decent rebounding/secondary rim protection and on a related note, the size/strength to credibly play the four, unlike Johnson.
Similar to Durant, with 8/9 out of the picture, I also don't see the package that would appeal to the Nets that's neither an over/under pay.
If spurs keep pick 2 and take Harper, Im all in on the Dev + 14 to BKY for pick 8 move.
Full re-set of Devs salary cleanly to clear up logjam and move up 6 spots simultaneously
Nets have nothing on the roster, they want to take a swing and try to get the BPA.
Even if they rate Devin, they don't think he's going to be an all-star and moving down for a supporting cast player makes no sense if they don't have anyone he's going to support on the roster.
And if they go for Giannis or something, that #8 will be long gone.
I can see it both ways. Of course I have no idea what BKY thinks of Dev but there are paths that make sense to me why BKY would like him. Especially if they have very small gap in prospects pick 8-14.
Not exactly the most appropriate topic, but I feel like we need to find a couple more solid contributors like Champagnie out of nothing.
If we take a look at conference finalists, I won't say those players are the difference makers, but it would be nice if our scouting department pulled a couple more players out of their asses like they did during the glory days.
OKC
Luguentz Dort - undrafted.
Aaron Wiggins - 55th pick.
Isaiah Joe - 49th pick and then cut by the Sixers after two seasons, OKC took a flyer on him.
Jaylin Williams - 34th pick.
Minnesota
Jaden McDaniels - 28th pick.
Naz Reid - undrafted.
NAW - an afterthought in Conley trade, had no value.
Knicks
Jalen Brunson - 33rd pick, surplus to requirements in Dallas, Knicks got their franchise player for nothing before anyone else thought he has that kind of potential.
Miles McBride - 36th pick.
Mitc Robinson - 36th pick.
Pacers
Andrew Nembhard - 31st pick.
Obi Toppin - acquired for SRPs.
All of these players were acquired for next to nothing and are good enough to be in conference finalists rotations.
Obviously I don't expect Spurs to hit with the every SRP or a cheap trade, but it would be really nice if we could find another couple of players that are currently underappreciated.
Probably less than 50/50 chance it appeals to BKY, but, it could be tremendous for us.
Who would you take with the #8 pick? Kon or Maluach if they are not gone? Might not be a significant difference between 8 and 14.
Don't know why Chicago would want that deal. White is one of their best players and just finished the season as the NBA Eastern Player of the Month winner. Nnaji is dead money and can't play, Westbrook would get released, and Keldon would have a hard time seeing the floor, for a Denver first and 2 seconds?
MPJ is a very expensive, damaged version of Cam Johnson. Just go get the cheaper version.
I like to think of the BKN situation this way:
Take yourself back to the month before the 2022 draft, where we are picking #9. CHA is picking #15. They call up and offer #15 and 23 year old Miles Bridges (ignore any off-the-court related stuff for Bridges) for pick #9. Are you doing that deal? Bridges was CHA's leading scorer that season, averaging 20.2/7.0/3.8.
Dejounte was traded a week after that draft, but imagine we had traded him away before the draft. Would you do that hypothetical Bridges deal then? You've already committed to tanking... what does Bridges do for you? Doesn't he kind of just elevate you higher than you really want to be in your tank chase? And if doesn't, then why are you paying positive value for him?
I think Devin would actually be a great tank commander for BKN... but tanking teams aren't spending positive value, unless its for someone who's going to move them out of tanking and into serious contention. Is Devin that guy for BKN?
Now... if BKN gets Giannis, I think Devin makes a lot more sense for them (and for them to pay positive value for).
I've said this before, but I think the best case for us to move Devin for maximum value is to find a team who wants to compete and needs someone of Devin's profile. Find an equivalent scenario to when we traded DJM to ATL. Not in terms of the return (because DJM had a significantly higher value profile at the time of his trade), but in terms of the thought process that lead ATL to want to get him to begin with. We need to find a team with those common elements.
I can't think of a single scenario where a tanking team would want to give up positive value to get Devin and be locked into his contract (and I'm not even saying the contract is bad... just that a tanking team probably values flexibility more than a deal with 4/100 left on it). The only case I could maybe make is if that team thought they could showcase Devin to the point where they could flip him for more later.
Supposedly in analytics he's a very good defender, something about always executing the plan and no mistakes. Forgot what podcast I heard it on
Kon would be my first priority realistically. It’s more about Spurs definitely getting who they want + not paying 27M to Dev for what could be a very reduced role. The getting off the salary while getting + value (moving from 14 to 8) is the key.
I wouldn’t even mind trading 8 then for future pick (meaning they get better value for giving up 8 now vs 14 if their plan was to trade 14 anyways). Or using 8 + a future first to get another pick in top 5???
What if they can now trade Dev + 14 for pick 8. Then trade pick 8 + Spurs 29 for pick 4 or 5 if Edgecombe is there? I have no idea how Spurs view these guys or how much more they’d be willing to value Edgecombe over Kon and their willingness to pay a future first to move up from 8 to 5 for example. Just saying its a lot of possibilities
But if just keeping it simple I would absolutely love to do something like draft Harper then trade Dev + 14 for 8 and come away with Kon as well.
Good point. I want and hope the Spurs start taking the second round and our 2-way spots more seriously.
In addition to the teams you mentioned, you have teams like MEM who continue to stock their roster with SRPs, two-ways and UDFA's who become solid contributors. No, it hasn't amounted to success yet, but it's not because of their lack of depth.
OKC also has Ajay Mitc , who was sitting there for us at 35 and 36 last year.
I'll give the team a pass up to date because maybe they just didn't have the resources available to devote to more projects... but now that things are getting more serious we shouldn't just piss away opportunities to fill up the talent pipeline.
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