Anyone else is against Spurs giving up Harper for 31 years (in 2025) Giannis Antetokounmpo?

[Obstructed_View]

Both Fox and Harper are good off the catch, and this team generates good open looks.

Castle isn't yet consistent, but his form is great, and he shoots with confidence. He has a clutch gene as well. I will not be surprised if he makes a big improvement from his spots this fall.

[spurraider21]

adams as a backup C would be quite nice. i dont know what type of pay he'd be looking for. he's about to turn 32 but looked good enough this year

[thOOdee]

Straight up, of course they should trade.

[Ice009]

I really would like to see Steph work on a good mid-range jump shot as well as three point shot. I think that can really help unlock his game even more.

adams as a backup C would be quite nice. i dont know what type of pay he'd be looking for. he's about to turn 32 but looked good enough this year

Yeah, I'm wondering what sort of cash he'd be after.

[Chucho]

If we can get Giannis at a reasonably fair price, I say we swing for the fences.

Building slowly isn't working and I get the fact we don't really know what we have so far as team chemistry and ap ude, but we're in Year 3 with Wemby and he wants to win.

The sand moves faster in that hour glass and we need to placate it.

Another middling year sniffing fingers while being a borderline play-in seed and collecting 2nd round picks and swaps could break the camel's back.

If not Giannis, we need to make an impact this offseason so we're not not just hovering around the 8-10 seeds.

If we dont take a leap forward this year, we take a massive step back in having Wemby in our future.

[dn0774]

For the sake of discussion, I'll go with it.
What would be your offer?
My best offer would be #2, '27 ATL, '29 SAS, '31 SAS/MIN and whoever they want other than Fox/Castle/Wemby.
The same offer I would've made before the lottery, just with Castle instead of #2. I wouldn't give up both Castle and #2, they can have one of the two.

Then what?
Fox/?
Castle/?
Barnes/Champ
Giannis/Mamu
Wemby/?

With no tradeable picks left since '25, '27, '29, '31 would've been gone.

Completely pot committed with major holes on the roster and no way to fix them. Assuming decent health that roster still probably brute forces it to 57 wins and has a path to the le, albeit not the front runner.

[dn0774]

If we can get Giannis at a reasonably fair price, I say we swing for the fences.

Building slowly isn't working and I get the fact we don't really know what we have so far as team chemistry and ap ude, but we're in Year 3 with Wemby and he wants to win.

The sand moves faster in that hour glass and we need to placate it.

Another middling year sniffing fingers while being a borderline play-in seed and collecting 2nd round picks and swaps could break the camel's back.

If not Giannis, we need to make an impact this offseason so we're not not just hovering around the 8-10 seeds.

If we dont take a leap forward this year, we take a massive step back in having Wemby in our future.

I would push back a little on that, we just improved 12 wins despite the season from injury wise.

[BackHome]

If we can get Giannis at a reasonably fair price, I say we swing for the fences.

Building slowly isn't working and I get the fact we don't really know what we have so far as team chemistry and ap ude, but we're in Year 3 with Wemby and he wants to win.

The sand moves faster in that hour glass and we need to placate it.

Another middling year sniffing fingers while being a borderline play-in seed and collecting 2nd round picks and swaps could break the camel's back.

If not Giannis, we need to make an impact this offseason so we're not not just hovering around the 8-10 seeds.

If we dont take a leap forward this year, we take a massive step back in having Wemby in our future.

Dude needs to play if he wants to win - He also needs to be in better condition if he wants to win as he was not good on back to backs and that was before his medical issue. I don’t know if you have watched any of the playoffs going in but it is much more physical than regular season. He is going to have to come in much more stronger and in better condition ir he won’t survive a 7 game Playoff series

[RC_Drunkford]

If we can get Giannis at a reasonably fair price, I say we swing for the fences.

Building slowly isn't working and I get the fact we don't really know what we have so far as team chemistry and ap ude, but we're in Year 3 with Wemby and he wants to win.

The sand moves faster in that hour glass and we need to placate it.

Another middling year sniffing fingers while being a borderline play-in seed and collecting 2nd round picks and swaps could break the camel's back.

If not Giannis, we need to make an impact this offseason so we're not not just hovering around the 8-10 seeds.

If we dont take a leap forward this year, we take a massive step back in having Wemby in our future.

there is no breaking the camel's back in year 3. This is a step by step process. You don't go from being one of the worst teams in the league to the finals the next year.

Year 1: tank
Year 2: borderline play-in team
Year 3: playoffs, probably losing in the first round
Year 4 is where you start the le chase, but probably don't make it either. You get to the conference semis or conference finals and lose. Then you'll know which pieces to add to get you over the hump.

[Rosewood]

The more I look into Harper, the less I want to trade him.

if it were the pick and Vassell for Giannis straight up - of course pull the trigger. But 4 picks including Harper, plus Castle, Sochan, etc. I am out on that. We’ve seen teams gut their bench and youth to go with a Big 3 several times the last few years and it has never worked. that.

[tbdog]

What was AD package? Ball and Ingram plus 3 picks, including number 4 in the draft? Ball was drsfted number 2 and Ingram was up there as well. So I assume Bucks want something equivalent? The one difference is matching salary. Lakers could assorb AD salary which was 28 mil by only sending out 18mil. The bucks would want to get under the tax during the offseason and would prefer taking back as least as possible

So a comparison deal would be number 2 plus 2 more picks. Castle = Ball, Vassell = Ingram, Branham = Hart.

Now AD was 25 at the time of the trade and Giannis will be 30 or 31. So that needs to be taken into account.

[RC_Drunkford]

What was AD package? Ball and Ingram plus 3 picks, including number 4 in the draft? Ball was drsfted number 2 and Ingram was up there as well. So I assume Bucks want something equivalent? The one difference is matching salary. Lakers could assorb AD salary which was 28 mil by only sending out 18mil. The bucks would want to get under the tax during the offseason and would prefer taking back as least as possible

So a comparison deal would be number 2 plus 2 more picks. Castle = Ball, Vassell = Ingram, Branham = Hart.

Now AD was 25 at the time of the trade and Giannis will be 30 or 31. So that needs to be taken into account.

AD tanked his trade value, cause he only wanted the Lakers and he's not the player Giannis is.

[OldMan88]

Harper has a sick little hesitation move he uses, just like Castle does. Really throws the defenders timing into the hole.

[rascal]

If we can get Giannis at a reasonably fair price, I say we swing for the fences.

Building slowly isn't working and I get the fact we don't really know what we have so far as team chemistry and ap ude, but we're in Year 3 with Wemby and he wants to win.

The sand moves faster in that hour glass and we need to placate it.

Another middling year sniffing fingers while being a borderline play-in seed and collecting 2nd round picks and swaps could break the camel's back.

If not Giannis, we need to make an impact this offseason so we're not not just hovering around the 8-10 seeds.

If we dont take a leap forward this year, we take a massive step back in having Wemby in our future.

Building slowly "through the draft" is really working well.
Wemby then the next year Castle and the Fox trade which fell in their lap and now Harper and whoever else at #14 and what other moves this summer. Spurs will be a playoff team next year barring injuries.

There is no need to break up the progress and trajectory the Spurs are on for a quick shortcut(going for Giannis). The Spurs are going to get there (championships) while maintaining the ability to build a long term dynasty with their home grown draft picks.

That's how they built their previous dynasty and I don't see them changing what has worked in the past for an all in move.

[Chucho]

Building slowly "through the draft" is really working well.
Wemby then the next year Castle and the Fox trade which fell in their lap and now Harper and whoever else at #14 and what other moves this summer. Spurs will be a playoff team next year barring injuries.

There is no need to break up the progress and trajectory the Spurs are on for a quick shortcut(going for Giannis). The Spurs are going to get there (championships) while maintaining the ability to build a long term dynasty with their home grown draft picks.

That's how they built their previous dynasty and I don't see them changing what has worked in the past for an all in move.

No. They built their dynasty by drafting Tim Duncan, a generational player. We were an instant contender in 1 season and would have been contending with or without Tony and Manu, the only real draft successes we had post Duncan through the end of the dynasty.

Wemby is a generational player, but he's also a modern-era player, which means he doesn't care about team-loyalty, he wants to win and we need to placate to that. How many franchise players up and leave when they don't feel the team is placating them? Too many.

[poopbox]

Building slowly "through the draft" is really working well.
Wemby then the next year Castle and the Fox trade which fell in their lap and now Harper and whoever else at #14 and what other moves this summer. Spurs will be a playoff team next year barring injuries.

There is no need to break up the progress and trajectory the Spurs are on for a quick shortcut(going for Giannis). The Spurs are going to get there (championships) while maintaining the ability to build a long term dynasty with their home grown draft picks.

That's how they built their previous dynasty and I don't see them changing what has worked in the past for an all in move.

What?

Spurs have had a losing record for 6 straight years

Do you want me to count all the teams in the nba who have had a losing records for 6 straight years or longer? It won't be hard. It's literally only 2 teams. The Spurs and the Wizards.

I don't know how you turn 6 straight years of losing into "really working well".

In the end even Gregg with two g's couldn't survive a 6th straight losing season and had to be replaced.

[KobesAchilles]

What?

Spurs have had a losing record for 6 straight years

Do you want me to count all the teams in the nba who have had a losing records for 6 straight years or longer? It won't be hard. It's literally only 2 teams. The Spurs and the Wizards.

I don't know how you turn 6 straight years of losing into "really working well".

In the end even Gregg with two g's couldn't survive a 6th straight losing season and had to be replaced.

These people are brainwashed into thinking we need to take things slowly while losing. Like you can’t take things slowly and be a playoff team. Next year it’s going to be well we made the play-in so that’s progress. Take things slowly. Bc we aren’t making the playoffs with our roster currently constructed even if we add Harper in the draft. Our ty 3 of Vassell, KJ, and Sochan will ensure that.

There are so many examples of young teams making the playoffs that are just as young or right around as old as the Spurs and yet we are all about slow “progress.” Cavs are young. Thunder are young. Houston is young. Detroit in young. Orlando is young. Indy is young. Memphis is young. Minnesota is young. I’m tired of using “we are a young team” as an excuse. This is their put up or shut up year. And if we don’t have a top 5 record next year in the West then I’d consider it a failure. If we don’t even have a top 8 record then it’s categorically a failure. And if we again don’t make the play-in then I want an entire ing roster and coaching reconstruction.

[LeBowen]

These people are brainwashed into thinking we need to take things slowly while losing. Like you can’t take things slowly and be a playoff team. Next year it’s going to be well we made the play-in so that’s progress. Take things slowly. Bc we aren’t making the playoffs with our roster currently constructed even if we add Harper in the draft. Our ty 3 of Vassell, KJ, and Sochan will ensure that.

There are so many examples of young teams making the playoffs that are just as young or right around as old as the Spurs and yet we are all about slow “progress.” Cavs are young. Thunder are young. Houston is young. Detroit in young. Orlando is young. Indy is young. Memphis is young. Minnesota is young. I’m tired of using “we are a young team” as an excuse. This is their put up or shut up year. And if we don’t have a top 5 record next year in the West then I’d consider it a failure. If we don’t even have a top 8 record then it’s categorically a failure. And if we again don’t make the play-in then I want an entire ing roster and coaching reconstruction.

As much of a hater I am, we have to admit we would've been in the play-in this season if not for Wemby's DVT.

Next season 45+ wins is a must and I expect serious contention from 26-27 season.

[rascal]

What?

Spurs have had a losing record for 6 straight years

Do you want me to count all the teams in the nba who have had a losing records for 6 straight years or longer? It won't be hard. It's literally only 2 teams. The Spurs and the Wizards.

I don't know how you turn 6 straight years of losing into "really working well".

In the end even Gregg with two g's couldn't survive a 6th straight losing season and had to be replaced.

Working well is adding Wemby, Fox, Castle and now Harper and 14 who will be another solid rotation player over the last two years. You will see playoffs next year barring injury.

[Obstructed_View]

No. They built their dynasty by drafting Tim Duncan, a generational player. We were an instant contender in 1 season and would have been contending with or without Tony and Manu, the only real draft successes we had post Duncan through the end of the dynasty.

Wemby is a generational player, but he's also a modern-era player, which means he doesn't care about team-loyalty, he wants to win and we need to placate to that. How many franchise players up and leave when they don't feel the team is placating them? Too many.

They added a generational player to a perennial 50-win roster and won a le. Then those guys got old and the Spurs built a le team around Duncan with draft picks and reclamation projects. Then they did it a second time at the end of Timmy's career.

[rascal]

As much of a hater I am, we have to admit we would've been in the play-in this season if not for Wemby's DVT.

Next season 45+ wins is a must and I expect serious contention from 26-27 season.

Spurs can be top three in the west depending on what other moves they make in addition to adding Harper. The Rockets were a 52 win team and the Spurs can be as good or better than the Rockets next year.

[benefactor]

Working well is adding Wemby, Fox, Castle and now Harper and 14 who will be another solid rotation player over the last two years. You will see playoffs next year barring injury.

If we are being honest though, there was no strategy to this. It was pure luck

[rascal]

If we are being honest though, there was no strategy to this. It was pure luck

I didn't say it wasn't by luck but building through the draft is working. The foundation of the team is being set with that luck.

[benefactor]

I didn't say it wasn't by luck but building through the draft is working. The foundation of the team is being set with that luck.

Well yeah, it works great when you get that lucky

[scott]

Well yeah, it works great when you get that lucky

To be fair, the expression "better lucky than good" didn't come from nowhere!