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How does that help lol? BOS is trying to cut salary so trading a 50M player for a 50M player does nothing…
Well at that point you can go get Jalen Brown’s contract, which Boston will still be trying to trade
How does that help lol? BOS is trying to cut salary so trading a 50M player for a 50M player does nothing…
We got Fox cheaply. We don’t have to cash out with a ton of picks. If Castle and Harper explode, we’re winning a ‘chip, and everybody wants players from championship teams.
Contracts go up in flat 8% raises, while the cap goes up in ulative 10% chunks. Almost every contract is reasonable after 3 years or so,even if it started as a max deal.
I’m not a contract or cap guru so if someone could confirm if this is correct with the Fox contract.
He has this upcoming season 25-26 left on his current deal at $37M.
If he signs a 4 year max deal this off-season it would kick in starting in season 26-27 and run through 29-30? And his max is 4/$229M which is 25% of the cap? Or is he eligible for 30% already? Or only if he makes All NBA this season?
Edit: Ok I see he’s classified as a veteran now because he is entering his 9th season so he is 30% eligible. I’ll be surprised if he signs less than 30% tbh, which is ok given Wemby, Castle, Harper are all going to be cheap for a few years.
The Spurs can reevaluate at the end of next season depending how the Fox-Harper-Castle trio works and go from there.
Last edited by mystargtr34; 05-20-2025 at 07:54 PM.
For those who favor KD over Giannis, who says no (remember PHX is in cap he’ll)?
PHX: Garland; Keldon
CLE: Devin
SAS: Durant; 32FRP (swap); 27FRP & 29FRP (each has protections)
He will only be eligible for up to 4/230 with us. SuperMax (Designated Veteran Extensions is what they are technically called) are only available from your original team. But, he can also do a 2+1 or a 3+1 to give him an opportunity to opt out and sign a 10-year vet 35% deal, though I doubt he will because he probably understand the unlikelihood of that happening. This is more likely what Luka will do.
Cap:
2025-2026: $154.6
2026-2027: $170.06
2027-2028: $187.06
2028-2029: $205.76
2029-2030: $226.33
Max Extension
2025-2026: $37 (24% of cap)
2026-2027: $57.25 (34% of cap)
2027-2028: $61.83 (33% of cap)
2029-2029: $66.41 (32% of cap)
2029-2030: $70.99 (31% of cap)
My math could be totally wrong, but if I’m right, there’s really not that much flexibility given by the 10% cap increase vs. 8% increase per year.
So wait... we get KD, get rid of Devin and Keldon, and get picks? Sign me up right away!
I'm actually not in favor of KD or Giannis, because there isn't enough ball to go around IMO, but this deal would be impossible to pass up.
Max extension in each of those years is only 35% of the cap. There is no way to break beyond 35%, and it only applies to a small subset of players (10 year vets and those who win MVP, DPOY or make All NBA). For everyone else, 30% is the hard cap.
But to your point... a 5 year SuperMax signed only goes from 30% of the cap down to 32.5% of the cap in year 5. It's not like there is a huge savings. A 30% max goes down to 27.8% by year 5.
Yeah, my b. Was off by a year. He’ll go from 34% of the cap to 31% of the cap over the course of a 4 year max deal.
The Cavs easily. Maybe if they were getting 14, it would be closer. I think they'd take Vassell as neutral ballast in a Garland deal, not straight up.
Fox won't be eligible for 35%. He'll go from 30% in Year 1 down to 28.4% in Year 4 (assuming he signs the absolutely max deal).
My hope is that we could get him at 4/201 where he gets 27.5% in year 1 with 5% raises. This would take him from 27.5% in Year 1 down to 23.9% in Year 4. This may be a pipe dream, but it would pay him on this schedule:
2025-26: $37
2026-27: $46.8
2027-28: $49.1
2028-29: $51.6
2029-30: $54.1
If I were Brian Wright, I'd do this, but then actually try to frontload it. More cash up front for Fox, but makes him easier to trade if necessary in a few years along with adding more cap flexibility
Well, the 27/29 Utah picks the Suns own are ass so don’t get too excited. Here’s a taste:
“2027 first round draft pick from Utah, Cleveland or Minnesota (least favorable). Utah will receive the two most favorable of its 2027 1st round pick, Cleveland's 2027 1st round pick and Minnesota's 2027 1st round pick and Phoenix will receive the least favorable of the three.”
I’m also am not that excited about KD for the record, but I do think there is enough noise about Garland now that maybe a 3 way might make sense where Vassell goes to CLE, a team that needs a point guard like ORL, PHX or BKN lands Garland, and we get assets.
He's not washed up Beal on a supermax and even Beal would have been traded three months ago if not for the no-trade clause.
That, and front loading lines up with Wemby/Castle/Harper’s contracts as well.
I think the 200MM number is fair considering Brunson left a lot more on the table.
You can go beyond 35 percent if the cap is flat enough. We all know about the eight-percent raises during a contract of course, but players are also guaranteed at least a five-percent increase to their previous salary when re-signing, even if that's over their max.
Maybe, just feels like they’re really singling out Garland as the “issue” with the playoff woes, which in turns makes it hard to expect a good return for him.
In theory the fit with Vassell and Mitc is cleaner. I’m also sure they will be looking at Cam Johnson.
In the 'nightmare' scenario where both Castle and Harper hit their absolute ceiling and Fox drops off , then we package picks to Fox to move him...
That's actually pretty good... I could see everyone having interest in that.
Not on this CBA for the next 7-8 years where you have 10% (compounded) raises to the cap built in every year from the new TV/streaming deal.
I agree with Chinook, you’d have to add 14 and one of the FRP’s going to us, but that still probably isn’t enough for CLE.
Cleveland is not trading Garland. Their whole offense is architected around two high level shooting guards, allowing them to play two no shooting or limited shooting bigs. When Garland went down, they fell off a cliff against Indy.
BKN: Poole + 14 + 18
WAS: Vassell
SA: 26 + 27 + Saddiq Bay
Naz Reid is ing terrible. Dude is soft as . No back to the basket game whatsoever and he's getting pushed around and out-rebounded by guards. If he's not hitting his 3's, he's completely useless.
Last edited by BatManu20; 05-20-2025 at 10:04 PM.
Just a thought - not sure how healthy Porzingis will be. But would you consider a KP and a Boston 1st for Devin? Shaves some money for Boston (admit-tingly not much)
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