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I know. That's why I said "if the cap is flat enough".
Yup...and he's comes off the books earlier than Devin too.
I know. That's why I said "if the cap is flat enough".
I think Porzingas is both broken, and in the last year of his deal. I don’t see Boston doing this to shave a few million off one year while taking on all the years of Devin’s deal.
I‘m also hoping they get a slight discount from Fox. Can you actually frontload a max extension? I know you can if it‘s less, but not sure if that‘s possible if it‘s the max. If so, then that would bail us out completely and we should be able to keep Fox until his contract expires and it would also be easy to trade him in the last year of his deal.
Sochan‘s extension will be crucial too. They really shouldn’t overpay him.
Maybe there is some rule about declining max contracts, but I doubt it? Seems like it should be legal (though it's then technically not a max - since it would be less than the max based on the declining nature). You can't Front-load the first year above 25/30/35% (whichever is applicable), I know that.
Basically no, at least not in the way you seem to be thinking. Let's say the max is $50 Million in the first year of the deal and there are 10-percent raises, drops allowed to make the math easier. A four-year max extension would be
2026 -- $50 Million
2027 -- $55 Million
2028 -- $60 Million
2029 -- $65 Million
Total: $230 Million.
What you can't do is:
2026 -- $65 Million
2027 -- $60 Million
2028 -- $55 Million
2029 -- $50 Million
That would require him to make more than the max in the first year of his deal, and that's not allowed.
What you can do is:
2026 -- $50 Million
2027 -- $45 Million
2028 -- $40 Million
2029 -- $35 Million
Total: $170 Million
That's what a front-loaded contract would look like. Since that's a whole $15 Million less per year on average, folks wouldn't call that a max extension, even though it also started at the max.
I would like something more similar to Vassell's contract:
2026 -- $50 Million
2027 -- $45 Million
2028 -- $50 Million
2029 -- $55 Million
Total: $200 Million
That maximizes the savings during the 2027-2028 season which is the first year Wemby's extension kicks in. If the Spurs happen to have a third star whose potential final contract is set to expire that season, they'd have their best chance of keeping everyone together for that season before transitioning to the much smaller contract Castle would be eligible to sign. Thus the team is able to remain financially responsible Yes, these are fake round numbers, but the basic structure. I haven't done some multi-year cap analysis yet, but there should still be a chance that they keep Vassell through that whole stretch. If Devin can make a Wiggins-like pivot to be a high-quality role-player, his contract would be fine, and if folks view him as a negative contract, the Spurs shouldn't be paying extra to move him at this time.
How much are we willing to pay for parts that fit?
Vassel + 14 for John Collins
96 minutes at 1&2, generally spread between Fox, Castle and Harper. (Likely Fox and Castle start, and Harper comes in for Fox. All of Fox's minutes come at the 1, All of Castle's at the 2, and Harper splits, being the PG when with Castle, and the SG with Fox). Wesley for backup.
48 minutes at the 3 - Champagnie for 30, Keldon for 18
48 Minutes at the 4 - Collins for 30, Sochan for 18
48 Minutes at the 5 - Wemby for 30, FA(Adams from HOU ?) for 18
Porzingis apparently has long covid (speculation), which is horrible for an athlete and can last indefinitely. Whoever trades for him is risking a lot. I wish him all the best but I wouldn’t be going anywhere close to that contract.
Darn, is that just speculation? When did that kick in? Was that earlier this season as I don't remember him having issues last season?
Fox trade value shouldn't be lower once he signs a max extension because, if a team trade for him now, they know they will have to sign him to that contract once eligible (6 months after the trade). His trade value should be a little higher because the uncertainty of him leaving for nothing via FA will be gone.
If Fox get injured and/or sucks, Spurs could be, in theory, trapped with his contract. Fox has played well and has been quite healthy over the past 5 years, so it's quite unlikely to happen.
With the new TV deal, all contracts are now declining ones. Contracts can raise up top 8% of the first year salary. Salary cap will raise by a compounded 10% per year. For a 4 years contract like for Fox, Salary in the last year will be 124% of the first year salary while the cap will raise by 133.1% in the same span. His salary will go from 30% of the cap to 27.9% of the cap.
Fox max extension will be the following:
2026-2027: $51M
2027-2028: $55.1M
2028-2029: $59.2M
2029-2030: $63.2M
Harper potential first deal will start in 2029-2030. $63.2M for Fox is a lot but, in 2029-2030, the luxury tax threshold will be at $275.1M, first apron at $286.9M and second apron at $304.3M.
Spurs drafting Harper makes it less likely that Fox takes a pay-cut on his extension. Fox obviously knows that if Harper is great and they struggle fitting together, he might be traded in 1 or 2 years. I doubt he takes a pay-cut in that situation.
Yeah it’s just speculation, don’t think Boston confirmed it, not that there’s a test to confirm it anyway. But based on him apparently having covid a couple of months back and not being himself ever since, as well as the apparent symptoms it appears to be a likely cause. Of course, if true, long covid lasting indefinitely isn‘t the same as infinitely but still..
Yeah, darn, that sucks. Hopefully it's not that, but if he had it a few months ago, that diagnosis makes sense. Hopefully it's something else, but either way, I hope he recovers. He seems like a good guy.
thanks, I was thinking the same. That type of deal would make the most sense. Vassell's contract could be quite valuable in his last 2 years, if he ever becomes a top 4 player on the team.
I made my cap sheet to figure this out. It looks like in the first year of Wemby's max extension, we should have enough cap room. Where it gets tight is 2028 if Castle signs a 25% max.
Sochan's extension should be frontloaded and I also think that if we add free agents in 2026 they should try doing that as well. The key is getting top role players on good value deals.
Great post and perspective and agree it’s unlikely. But imo spurs need to really be considering this given their luck. Small favors and loyalties make sense but I don’t think it’s a no brainer situation. Getting Flagg would have made this so much cleaner lol
And Sa may make a trade(s) that clear it up too. But overall as things stand I don’t see it as a no brainer. It’s a decent decision even if I like Fox and think it will be ok and work out overall.
Fox + Castle + Harper is fun imo
Do you think Boston takes any calls on Jayson Tatum?
The Fox extension likely got more complicated because to the pick. As was noted above, Fox now has little incentive to take a dollar less if his theoretical understudy (a fellow lefty btw) is now on the roster. Meanwhile the Spurs probably have more leverage to push for a modest discount for the same reason.
The Klutch’s role is overstated in my view. They want access to the Vic machine more than they care about Fox, tbh.
Something to watch.
No chance, they're an organization with certain values, similar to Spurs.
Tatum is untouchable and Brown will be traded only if there's a big overpay and he agrees to go.
I'd say Derrick is also safe.
KP and Jrue are most definitely gone.
Hauser would be a good target if he's available for a reasonable price, but I don't see why would the Celtics do it.
A random thought, but it somewhat makes sense.
Spurs:
Washington, Gafford, Powell (salary match)
Mavs:
Jrue, '30 swap returned.
Celtics:
Vassell, Wesley, '28 swap returned.
Spurs solve their wing/big issues with two great value players, assuming they'd both agree to extensions.
Celtics get a valuable swap back and a true shooting guard, with Wesley being a solid defender on an expiring deal. They development staff seems to work miracles when it comes to broken jumpshots, maybe he'd develop into an actual NBA player.
Mavs get a valuable swap back and fill their most pressing need while Kyrie is out and Jrue can also play together with him. Yes, they'd get older, but I doubt those two players want to extend with them considering they'll be behind AD/Lively/Flagg in the rotation.
Fox/Harper
Castle/#14
Barnes/Champagnie
Washington/Jeremy
Wemby/Gafford
That's as functional as it gets.
Get another bench shooter if #14 is a project.
I excluded Keldon because I'm done with him, but he'd also be around.
I wouldn't do that. I'm not giving up those swaps in a minor deal like that. Honestly, I'd probably do it without giving up the swaps, but I really think we should receive more compensation for greasing the skids on a deal that benefits the mavs and Celtics more than us.A random thought, but it somewhat makes sense.
Spurs:
Washington, Gafford, Powell (salary match)
Mavs:
Jrue, '30 swap returned.
Celtics:
Vassell, Wesley, '28 swap returned.
Spurs solve their wing/big issues with two great value players, assuming they'd both agree to extensions.
Celtics get a valuable swap back and a true shooting guard, with Wesley being a solid defender on an expiring deal. They development staff seems to work miracles when it comes to broken jumpshots, maybe he'd develop into an actual NBA player.
Mavs get a valuable swap back and fill their most pressing need while Kyrie is out and Jrue can also play together with him. Yes, they'd get older, but I doubt those two players want to extend with them considering they'll be behind AD/Lively/Flagg in the rotation.
Fox/Harper
Castle/#14
Barnes/Champagnie
Washington/Jeremy
Wemby/Gafford
That's as functional as it gets.
Get another bench shooter if #14 is a project.
I excluded Keldon because I'm done with him, but he'd also be around.
I don't think '28 BOS swap is that valuable. Brad Stevens is one of the best GMs in the league and Celtics will surely stay a contender.
Tatum just turned 27, even if he doesn't fully recover from his injury, he'll still be an all-star. Brown will be 31 and Derrick will be 33.
Still a top3 team in the East for sure. If he decides to trade either of those two, he'll surely get a haul and be back to competing in a year.
Mavs swap lost a lot of value after the lottery. It's valuable, but not to the same extent.
Washington and Gafford would make an instant impact for us and be the best role players on the team.
If we could extend both of them for around 40 to 45 million a year, I'd do that deal without hesitation.
I just think the swap are worth more in today's nba. It makes our picks in those years more valuable if we want to make a bigger acquisition. I also would discount Nico's ability to screw this up even more or Bostons ability to keep things positive with a Jalen Brown who looks like he's slowing down due to meniscus issue and an uncertain recovery for Tatum. That's just how I see it. I like PJ and Gafford, but they're just role players to me.
he's a nice player. i dno about the 30+ mil stuff
PJ and Gafford basically unlock the Spurs the same way Hartenstein and Caruso unlocked the Thunder.
Yea... I don't see that...
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