Spurs trade ideas

[scott]

Saw this one on Reddit. I love it for the Spurs... feedback from Mavs fans is that while they'd like to keep Christie, they'd do this deal (apparently they are higher on Vassell than I am)

[Guru of Nothing]

I like. What kind of extension do you extend to Washington? He's an expiring.

[scott]

I like. What kind of extension do you extend to Washington? He's an expiring.

I'd honestly be okay with just playing wait and see with Washington. Even if we lost him for nothing (or in a S&T the next year), we still get the benefit of clearing Vassell's contract off the roster. Christie looks like a capable backup 2 on a cheap deal, and Hardy basically just takes Wesley's.

[spurraider21]

yeah... Devin for PJ and Christie sounds good for sure. Mavs do need some backcourt juice with Kyrie out if they want to make any sort of noise in the last years of AD's prime. a trade could light a fire under Vassell's ass as well, as he cant just coast as he hitches his wagon to wemby for his career.

christie is a solid backup guard on a nice contract. PJ gives us a lot of what we need as a true wing with size, length, athleticism, defense, rebounding. his shooting is kind of hit or miss year to year but overall is a reasonable shooter

its a shame Vassell's development has taken the arc is has. he should have been a good man defender and elite team defender, and in his first two years we saw he could actually deliver on that end. but it is what it is, he cant be relied upon to be a winning role player. at least not now. maybe his game matures as he ages some more and he buys into a role, but he's just not there right now.

if vassell was coached by the version of pop we saw in the 2010s, i think he would have turned out a lot better

[RC_Drunkford]

No chance, they're an organization with certain values, similar to Spurs.
Tatum is untouchable and Brown will be traded only if there's a big overpay and he agrees to go.
I'd say Derrick is also safe.

KP and Jrue are most definitely gone.
Hauser would be a good target if he's available for a reasonable price, but I don't see why would the Celtics do it.

because Hauser is the only contract they can offload. Brooklyn is the only team with significant cap space and they most likely won't trade for Holiday or Porzingis. So Boston will have to trade them separately and try to get less salary back in each deal to get under the apron. Hauser is the one guy they can trade without getting any contracts back in return.

[RC_Drunkford]

I just think the swap are worth more in today's nba. It makes our picks in those years more valuable if we want to make a bigger acquisition. I also would discount Nico's ability to screw this up even more or Bostons ability to keep things positive with a Jalen Brown who looks like he's slowing down due to meniscus issue and an uncertain recovery for Tatum. That's just how I see it. I like PJ and Gafford, but they're just role players to me.

PJ Washington is the best role player level PF out there up for grabs tbh. Especially if you're trying to beat OKC. By far my number 1 target for the 4 spot next to Wemby.

PJ and Gafford basically unlock the Spurs the same way Hartenstein and Caruso unlocked the Thunder.

that part and they both only 26 years old

I like. What kind of extension do you extend to Washington? He's an expiring.

4 years 100 million on a declining contract. Preferably less than that, but contracts grow as the cap grows. That's Vassell money for a player who's better than Devin.

[spurraider21]

because Hauser is the only contract they can offload. Brooklyn is the only team with significant cap space and they most likely won't trade for Holiday or Porzingis. So Boston will have to trade them separately and try to get less salary back in each deal to get under the apron. Hauser is the one guy they can trade without getting any contracts back in return.

jaylen brown to brooklyn?

[RC_Drunkford]

jaylen brown to brooklyn?

I doubt that they move him. That would be the other option and allow them to keep everybody else, but I'm not sure they are willing to break up the Tatum/Brown tandem.

[LeBowen]

because Hauser is the only contract they can offload. Brooklyn is the only team with significant cap space and they most likely won't trade for Holiday or Porzingis. So Boston will have to trade them separately and try to get less salary back in each deal to get under the apron. Hauser is the one guy they can trade without getting any contracts back in return.

I still think Stevens will find a way to get rid of at least one of KP/Jrue and take less money in return.
Porzingis shouldn't be that hard to trade, it's an expiring contract and he's still good when healthy.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I still think Stevens will find a way to get rid of at least one of KP/Jrue and take less money in return.
Porzingis shouldn't be that hard to trade, it's an expiring contract and he's still good when healthy.

Moving only one contract for a smaller one isn't going to be nearly enough for them. They're $20 mil over the second apron and $40 million over the tax. They have to do everything they can to get below the tax and reset the repeater counter.

[scott]

yeah... Devin for PJ and Christie sounds good for sure. Mavs do need some backcourt juice with Kyrie out if they want to make any sort of noise in the last years of AD's prime. a trade could light a fire under Vassell's ass as well, as he cant just coast as he hitches his wagon to wemby for his career.

christie is a solid backup guard on a nice contract. PJ gives us a lot of what we need as a true wing with size, length, athleticism, defense, rebounding. his shooting is kind of hit or miss year to year but overall is a reasonable shooter

its a shame Vassell's development has taken the arc is has. he should have been a good man defender and elite team defender, and in his first two years we saw he could actually deliver on that end. but it is what it is, he cant be relied upon to be a winning role player. at least not now. maybe his game matures as he ages some more and he buys into a role, but he's just not there right now.

if vassell was coached by the version of pop we saw in the 2010s, i think he would have turned out a lot better

I think Devin's career arc is one of those hidden costs of tanking. He was forged in the fires of suckage, asked to be a primary option and started to fall in love with the smell of his own . Had he been developed as part of a winning team with a more defined offensive role and higher expectations on the defensive end, he may have developed into the 3&D guy we thought we were drafting. Instead, now his defense has suffered as he refined his offensive game... but his offensive game has only developed into a C-level primary scoring option without any real evidence he can be an effective 4th/5th option (which is what we need him to be). Years of being a tank commander have forged him solidly into... a tank commander. It's hard to break away from that, and it's not entirely his fault.

It would be interesting to look at teams that made the transition from tank mode to contending and how much roster continuity they maintained. My hypothesis is that teams generally shed themselves of all the remnants of those tanking teams, from the FO and coaching staff all the way down to the roster. The Spurs are going about it differently, trying to retain all of those things.

[RC_Drunkford]

I still think Stevens will find a way to get rid of at least one of KP/Jrue and take less money in return.
Porzingis shouldn't be that hard to trade, it's an expiring contract and he's still good when healthy.

that won't cut it. They would have to basically send KP to the Nets for a fake 2nd round pick. If Brooklyn says no then you trade KP's 30 million for players worth 22, Holiday's 32 for 24 and offload Hauser's 10 to free up 26 million for example. That's the only way to go about it unless they trade Brown to Brooklyn. And if my math is correct they actually need to get rid of 35 million worth in contracts to get under the luxury tax.

I assume they will try to keep Tatum/Brown/White/Pritchard and try to move those 3 I mentioned prior.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think Devin's career arc is one of those hidden costs of tanking. He was forged in the fires of suckage, asked to be a primary option and started to fall in love with the smell of his own . Had he been developed as part of a winning team with a more defined offensive role and higher expectations on the defensive end, he may have developed into the 3&D guy we thought we were drafting. Instead, now his defense has suffered as he refined his offensive game... but his offensive game has only developed into a C-level primary scoring option without any real evidence he can be an effective 4th/5th option (which is what we need him to be). Years of being a tank commander have forged him solidly into... a tank commander. It's hard to break away from that, and it's not entirely his fault.

It would be interesting to look at teams that made the transition from tank mode to contending and how much roster continuity they maintained. My hypothesis is that teams generally shed themselves of all the remnants of those tanking teams, from the FO and coaching staff all the way down to the roster. The Spurs are going about it differently, trying to retain all of those things.

it's kinda crazy if you think about scouts comparing his defense to Iguodala coming out of college. This really has to be due to coaching and those bad defensive schemes we were running while tanking. I think he just built a lot of bad habits defensively during those seasons.

[Atl Spur]

Hauser could work for us.

[exstatic]

PJ and Gafford basically unlock the Spurs the same way Hartenstein and Caruso unlocked the Thunder.

The Thunder had already been to the second round. We haven’t even been in the playoffs. Not the time for finishing touches, since we haven’t even started in the playoffs.

[ginobilized]

Saw this one on Reddit. I love it for the Spurs... feedback from Mavs fans is that while they'd like to keep Christie, they'd do this deal (apparently they are higher on Vassell than I am)

This is pure gold!
Christie fits better (not a ball-stopper/high IQ) than Vassell AND we get PJ Washington.
Get a solid vet backup center, draft Harper and a big and call it an off season. Thin the herd a bit during training camp by off-loading Branham and/or Wesley.
That's starting to look like a real team.

[LeBowen]

The Thunder had already been to the second round. We haven’t even been in the playoffs. Not the time for finishing touches, since we haven’t even started in the playoffs.

Having a backup big wouldn't be a finishing touch for us because we literally can't function as a team with current options.
Rebounding is the biggest issue even with Wemby on the floor and these two players would solve just that.

I said it many times, there are just too many variables that need to allign when trading for someone, if most are there, you have to go for it.
Ability
Role
Personality
Health
Contract length
Salary
Trade cost

Washington and Gafford can be had for fairly cheap because they're expiring contracts and don't have an incentive to extend with Dallas.
They won't get overpaid and they're behind Flagg/AD/Lively. No player with ambition would want to stay in that situation.

[scott]

Trade Idea of the Day... let's make it a little y and say the Pelicans really want Harper.

[mo7888]

Trade Idea of the Day... let's make it a little y and say the Pelicans really want Harper.

I'm sticking with Harper, but I'd have to really think about that one...

[ambchang]

Trade Idea of the Day... let's make it a little y and say the Pelicans really want Harper.

Love the mavs trade earlier, but I’m not trading Harper for a 7th pick and Trey Murphy III and herb jones. TMIII, while nice, is a role player. 14-39 when he played.

Liked getting 7 back, and HJ. I like TM3 too but giving up Harper is too much. Loved getting rid of vassell though.

[scott]

Love the mavs trade earlier, but I’m not trading Harper for a 7th pick and Trey Murphy III and herb jones. TMIII, while nice, is a role player. 14-39 when he played.

Liked getting 7 back, and HJ. I like TM3 too but giving up Harper is too much. Loved getting rid of vassell though.

It's that second unprotected FRP from NOP that makes it y for me... NOP is one of those teams that can't get out of their own way and it would always be nice to have some of their assets. With that said, I don't want to trade away from Harper either... just like posting these daily ideas as thought experiments to get the conversation going.

[RC_Drunkford]

would love something like

Fox/Harper/Wesley
Castle/Champagnie
Vassell/Barnes
PJ Washington/Sochan/Fleming
Wemby/Adams/Kalkbrenner

or

Fox/Harper/Wesley
Castle/Champagnie/Branham
Barnes/Keldon/Coward
PJ Washington/Sochan
Wemby/Gafford/Kalkbrenner

those type of rosters could really make noise in the playoffs

[CGD]

Love the mavs trade earlier, but I’m not trading Harper for a 7th pick and Trey Murphy III and herb jones. TMIII, while nice, is a role player. 14-39 when he played.

Liked getting 7 back, and HJ. I like TM3 too but giving up Harper is too much. Loved getting rid of vassell though.

You can’t talk about ST darling, TM3, like that around these parts. Watch your back!

[CGD]

Let's assume SA is going in for Giannis. Who says no?

MIL: #2, #3, George
PHI: Dev; Keldon; #14
SAS: Giannis

Honestly, I don't think MIL could reasonably expect a better deal. Philly gets of PG and takes #14 to make the medicine go down easier.

[mo7888]

Let's assume SA is going in for Giannis. Who says no?

MIL: #2, #3, George
PHI: Dev; Keldon; #14
SAS: Giannis

Honestly, I don't think MIL could reasonably expect a better deal. Philly gets of PG and takes #14 to make the medicine go down easier.

It would just come down to if we really wanted Giannis that much. The other two probably do that deal.