Future Spur: Dylan Harper

[poopbox]

I can’t think of a single supermax eligible player who took less. It’s the next tier down of marginal max players who sometimes take discounts

I think there is also a misunderstanding of how contracts get signed, namely a team is dealing with a players agent and not the player themselves when it comes time to sign a contract.

And that most agents get paid on commission. For a player to take a regular max and not a supermax is to cost the agent themselves money and they sure as aint doing that.

[poopbox]

https://nbarankings.theringer.com/

Sabonis 26th, Fox 27th.
Fox is most definitely in that 20-30 range, then it's about personal prefrence.
Sabonis is a better regular season #1 option, but his archetype is useless in the playoffs.

The Ringer

So you telling me if we offer Victor for Donovan Mitc the Cavs are saying no

If we offer Victor for Lebron James the lakers are saying no

Come on.

[LeBowen]

The Ringer

So you telling me if we offer Victor for Donovan Mitc the Cavs are saying no

If we offer Victor for Lebron James the lakers are saying no

Come on.

Wemby was #6 in January, they drop players with serious injuries.
And trade value is different matter.

[spurraider21]

The Ringer

So you telling me if we offer Victor for Donovan Mitc the Cavs are saying no

If we offer Victor for Lebron James the lakers are saying no

Come on.

wemby is the #1 player on their trade value rankings



https://nbarankings.theringer.com/trade-value


*trigger warning*

fox is 19th

[scott]

The Ringer

So you telling me if we offer Victor for Donovan Mitc the Cavs are saying no

If we offer Victor for Lebron James the lakers are saying no

Come on.

The Ringer has a separate Trade Value Rankings, where Victor is ranked #1: https://nbarankings.theringer.com/trade-value

[Seventyniner]

Funny that Fox is in the "Only if they made us do it" tier, which is the only reason the Spurs got him so cheaply.

[Atl Spur]

Funny that Fox is in the "Only if they made us do it" tier, which is the only reason the Spurs got him so cheaply.

But people in here acting like he a bum….

[SouthernFried]

How about 3 Taco Cabana franchises. Can the Hemisphere be moved to Boston?

[manufan10]

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Top NBA analyst says Harper goes to Spurs or to another team that trade up.

More breaking news at 8.

[spursistan]

This is a great, in-depth scouting report by Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux on Harper (starts 28:30 mins). The conclusion: they are extremely high on him despite his shooting issue(s) . One of the best guard prospects of past decade (nice comps discussion). Just a can't-miss Second overall pick. Spurs front office should not overthink it one bit.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000709543881

[tbdog]

Just listened to Dunc'd On podcast about Harper scouting reporting. They are very high on him. The negatives being his shot is low, taking away that size advantage he has, therefore needs more work there. Compared to previous guards coming into the NBA draft, they only have Morant, Cade, Fultz ahead of him. They put Harper above Scoot, the Ball brothers, and ironically Fox. They said his floor is very high. He may never be as good as 2023 Fox, stating that Fox season was amazing, but clarified that Fox may never be that good again. They kinda wish Fox was not there so the Spurs could just build around Harper and Wemby. Finally, they said that they wouldn't trade this number 2 pick unless it's for a huge package. They are very very high on him.


They have not done Flagg's report yet. It'll be interesting how close they are, remembering that Dallas are in dire need for a PG.

[Blizzardwizard]

i don't really see the cade comp with harper personally. feel like they have almost opposite offensive strengths (cade way better movement shooter, harper way better rim finisher).


my harper comp would be ​'what if tyreke evans reached his full potential?'

[ace3g]

[cd021]

Nice breakdown of Harper's game. I hope the Spurs don't mess this up.
Both Harper and Castle are good rebounders and cut well off the ball. It makes me think that Harper might begin the season as Castle's backup. Harper has a long way to go on the defensive end.

I think Fox and Castle will play around 33 and 30 mpg white Harper plays most of the remaining 33 minutes per game. He'll also probably start the inevitable games that Vassell misses.

[Chomag]

Is this how he normally shoots from distance? Hopefully it's not ad if so he will definitely need to learn to shoot with more lift because that's not going to work very effectively at the NBA level when up against good defenders

[dn0774]

Is this how he normally shoots from distance? Hopefully it's not ad if so he will definitely need to learn to shoot with more lift because that's not going to work very effectively at the NBA level when up against good defenders

His shooting is his Achilles heel right now. If he were a knock down shooter with a higher release he would probably be the 1st pick.

[dbestpro]

Dylan Harper, who measured 6'4.5" in height with both hand length and width at 9.25 inches. His hand length-to-height ratio is about 0.132, indicating exceptionally large hands for his stature. These measurements are significant as larger hand sizes can enhance ball control, passing, and defensive capabilities. The defense potential of Harper and Castle has been overlooked. Castle's hand measurements are at 8.75. Leonard was at .142 compared to his height. Hand size matters in basketball, particularly for guards.

[Sugus]

Dylan Harper, who measured 6'4.5" in height with both hand length and width at 9.25 inches. His hand length-to-height ratio is about 0.132, indicating exceptionally large hands for his stature. These measurements are significant as larger hand sizes can enhance ball control, passing, and defensive capabilities. The defense potential of Harper and Castle has been overlooked. Castle's hand measurements are at 8.75. Leonard was at .142 compared to his height. Hand size matters in basketball, particularly for guards.

Wow, he really has great size for a PG.

6'4.5" equals 194.31cm. That's much taller than players like Ja Morant (1,88m) or even Anthony Edwards (1,93m). The fact that he's got abnormally large hands is absolutely a huge plus as well - the Jordan "palm the ball" effect is real, not to mention higher standing reach.

With Castle standing at 1,98m, it would be quite the plus-sized "backcourt of the future" for the Spurs. I wonder how it stacks against the starting guard lineups of the rest of the league?

I'm really warming up to the guy, what a chance for the Spurs. Now if only he or Castle could learn to knock down jumpers reliably...

[Sugus]

I was curious about the league-wide comparison and, after messing around with some IAs, I've managed to get some preliminary results and info. Some of the lineups are outdated, but it's a good enough comparison at this point for anyone who's interested, I believe.

Here's how a Dylan Harper - Stephon Castle starting backcourt could look like against this season's starting lineups:

Rank	Team	Point Guard (cm) [Player]	Shooting Guard (cm) [Player]	Avg. Height (cm)
1	Cleveland Cavaliers	185 [Darius Garland]	185 [Donovan Mitc ]	185.0
2	Brooklyn Nets	185 [Dennis Schröder]	193 [Cam Thomas]	189.0
3	New York Knicks	185 [Jalen Brunson]	193 [Donte DiVincenzo]	189.0
4	Miami Heat	185 [Terry Rozier]	196 [Tyler Herro]	190.5
5	Philadelphia 76ers	188 [Tyrese Maxey]	193 [Buddy Hield]	190.5
6	Golden State Warriors	188 [Stephen Curry]	193 [Brandin Podziemski]	190.5
7	Houston Rockets	183 [Fred VanVleet]	193 [Jalen Green]	188.0
8	Washington Wizards	183 [Tyus Jones]	193 [Jordan Poole]	188.0
9	Milwaukee Bucks	188 [Damian Lillard]	193 [Malik Beasley]	190.5
10	Atlanta Hawks	185 [Trae Young]	198 [Bogdan Bogdanović]	191.5
11	Utah Jazz	193 [Keyonte George]	188 [Collin Sexton]	190.5
12	Minnesota Timberwolves	185 [Mike Conley]	193 [Anthony Edwards]	189.0
13	Los Angeles Clippers	196 [James Harden]	188 [Norman Powell]	192.0
14	Memphis Grizzlies	188 [Ja Morant]	196 [Desmond Bane]	192.0
15	Toronto Raptors	188 [Immanuel Quickley]	196 [Gary Trent Jr.]	192.0
16	Portland Trail Blazers	188 [Scoot Henderson]	196 [Shaedon Sharpe]	192.0
17	Boston Celtics	193 [Jrue Holiday]	193 [Derrick White]	193.0
18	Indiana Pacers	196 [Tyrese Haliburton]	193 [Andrew Nembhard]	194.5
19	Los Angeles Lakers	193 [D'Angelo Russell]	196 [Austin Reaves]	194.5
20	Dallas Mavericks	201 [Luka Dončić]	188 [Kyrie Irving]	194.5
21	Phoenix Suns	196 [Devin Booker]	193 [Bradley Beal]	194.5
22	Denver Nuggets	193 [Jamal Murray]	196 [Kentavious Caldwell-Pope]	194.5
23	Sacramento Kings	191 [De'Aaron Fox]	201 [Kevin Huerter]	196.0
24	New Orleans Pelicans	191 [CJ McCollum]	201 [Herb Jones]	196.0
25	Charlotte Hornets	198 [LaMelo Ball]	193 [Tre Mann]	195.5
26	Orlando Magic	193 [Jalen Suggs]	198 [Anthony Black]	195.5
27	Detroit Pistons	198 [Cade Cunningham]	193 [Jaden Ivey]	195.5
28	San Antonio Spurs	194.31 [Dylan Harper]	198 [Stephon Castle]	196.16
29	Chicago Bulls	203 [Josh Giddey]	196 [Ayo Dosunmu]	199.5
30	Oklahoma City Thunder	198 [Shai Gilgeous-Alexander]	203 [Josh Giddey]	200.5

With Dylan Harper (194.31 cm) and Stephon Castle (198 cm) projected as the San Antonio Spurs' starting backcourt, their combined height of 392.31 cm would place them among the taller backcourts in the league, surpassing the average backcourt height of approximately 386.08 cm.

This size advantage could provide the Spurs with enhanced versatility on both ends of the court, offering potential benefits in defense, rebounding, and matchup flexibility.

[Limguogolo]

I dream of a Doncic/Poole backcourt. That must be really impressive on defense with that much size.


Mitc is 1.91cm tall (on wiki).


The best defender is not the one who has the size to defend, it is the one who uses his size to oppose his opponent. There is size, but there is also, possibly, the weight/speed combination.


Nadir Hifi has tiny hands, tiny arms, huge hair, and he defends like a dog. Same thing for TJ Short.


I keep in mind the advice of my first wife: you have at least one thing in common with all my lovers in thinking that size makes the difference, which is why I finally go with the lover who has a very small one but knows how to use it. My second wife will never thank her enough.

[dbestpro]

An interesting name popped up when comparing Dylan Harper to players of 1980s in AI.

Alvin Robertson
Height/Weight: 6'4", 205 lbs

Why: Known for defense, strength, and versatility, Robertson's frame and rebounding guard game mirror Harper’s physical tools. Harper is a better passer and post-up option; Robertson was elite at steals.

[picnroll]

Robertson played in the days when using hands was allowed on D and he had hands like vices, he’d get ahold of you and you weren’t going anywhere. Probably the best MJ defender in his day. Nowhere near as overall skilled on O as Harper projects to be but Harper will never be the defender Robertson was.Don’t see the similarities.

[John B]

Alvin Robertson should’ve been retired by the Spurs tbh. 4x All-Star (3 with the Spurs) and DPOY. I’d retire his jersey before Johnny Moore.

[scott]

Alvin Robertson should’ve been retired by the Spurs tbh. 4x All-Star (3 with the Spurs) and DPOY. I’d retire his jersey before Johnny Moore.

The Spurs don’t typically like to celebrate guys associated with Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Human Trafficking.

Alvin also wore #21, who we retired for someone else you might remember.