If Sorber is gone and Cowards medical checks out I am fine drafting him as he has potential but he is also a great 3 point shooter. If those two are are gone trade back and pick up a Center and maybe a PF if a good one is available
My gut is that teams are a ch lower on Fleming than internet denizens are, and that Coward's meteoric rise will stall a bit. He may get nabbed by Portland or even Chicago, but could wind up out of the lottery.
My gut, then, is that the Spurs will go here for upside and look at a Demin. I don't know if they'll be trying to get a topping-out-as-a-role-player guy with the last lottery pick they may have in some time.
They will take McNeeley over Demin
Do you think that's good or do you just think that's what will happen?
I agree that McNeeley will be in their pool. A McNeeley or Demin over the low ceiling wings.
Spurs will see Demin more as a guard and McNeeley as a SF and will prioritize the SF position.
Maybe. They'll want facilitators at every position if they can and will like Demin's size. I think the lack of facilitation in Fleming, among others, will cause them uncertainty.
McNeely likely being a “hunted” type of player on defense really makes me lose serious interest in him. I’m not as worried about him offensively since his game should work much better in a scaled down role.
I think you've bought up a great point. Like you said, this could be the Spurs' last lottery pick in some time, so you'd want to go with the higher upside/higher ceiling rather than the role player type players at this range.
Out of curiosity, how do you define a role player? A fifth-best starter? A rotation player? A one-dimensional contributor? A guy like Fleming likely won’t be a star or a top four player on a championship team, but his archetype (if you buy the shooting) is a very valuable player.
There's an argument that Coward is just as good a shooter as Liam, maybe even better, with better role player type skills, better athleticism, better wingspan, though slightly shorter. Basically, just as a shooter I'm intrigued by Coward.
Other than Yaxel, I'm blanking on a toolsy 4 that is at least somewhat ready to play. I agree that Fleming is way down their list. I really want a 4 at the #14, but I think it's going to have to be a 3 or a 5 without reaching egregiously.
A role player is a non starter player in the rotation
Guys with low ceilings, guys you'd normally draft outside of the lottery (of course, you can still get a great player outside of the lottery that ends up working their ass off to become a great player). I think the Spurs should go with a high ceiling type of guy for the 14th as they're not likely to get a lottery pick for a while if everything goes as we expect/hope it will (I believe the Spurs are going to be really good moving forward). Of course I don't mean take a wild swing and waste the pick, but go for a more upside pick is what I think Mr. Body is pretty much saying, and I agree/think that is the way to go too.
I look at a role player as someone more one-dimensional, lower ceiling, that type of player (don't get me wrong, I love role players). A role player can be a starter, but normally they are a non-starter.
You know I was just thinking this. If they go to the three guard lineup, with Wemby basically a 7’5” guard, they might be best to get a PF with guard skills, so that everyone is basically interchangeable.
Didn’t Demin measure out to 6’10” with shoes? And I heard his shot is looking amazing in workouts?
Maybe they could get him in the gym to add some weight and strength and he could become an amazing playmaking PF for us. Who would be the comp, someone like Boris Diaw maybe? Dude is probably the best passer in the draft flat out. That kind of unselfishness never hurts a team game.
LaRavia play for the Kings.
Fleming, even though he has a role player profile, fits exactly what we need at the 4 spot though. Good shooter, great wingspan, high motor, hustle player, weakside shotblocker, good roll man, great rebounder, more wingspan than Giannis, runs the floor hard. I like him a lot. What would really bother me is if OKC gets him...
Fleming is not a playoff role player for this team. Can't face guard initiators nor protect the rim as the anchor. He is John Collins and PJ Washington a 4 in a helio offense. Useless in our system.
I'm honestly just amazed how can so much nonsense fit in such short post.
How would you know if a player who hasn't even been drafted yet is a playoff performer? For better or worse.
Face initiators? How many legit PF face initiators are in the West right now?
Lebron who's irrelevant for our timeline.
Randle.
JJJ? He's not even a real initiator and is weak for his size.
AD? Not on our timeline.
Zion? Won't ever be healthy.
Whoever we get at PF, we won't need them to face guard any star players, but to be a good team/help defender and a great rebounder to help Wemby.
Protecting the rim as the anchor? What the are you on about, why would anyone other than Wemby be the anchor?
What's our system? Wemby and Fox player 6 games together, our third most important player is a rookie, we have a #2 pick and a new coach who will surely want to implement some of his stuff compared to interim season.
We have no clue how we're going to play next season.
I'll say it again, just amazing how completely lost you are with some of your takes.
You said the same thing about countering Jokic did OKC beefed up their rebounding or face guarded Jokic with a guard.
The are you on about?
It's actually my fault for even reading any of your nonsense.
I thought you watch games. Caruso was the main defender on Jokic in game 7 of the playoffs. You said to counter Jokic you need rebounding and inside presence but OKC went smaller and smaller as the series went on, I said you just need a post defender that is not your center, I even said it can be a guard and they did put a guard on him. Then you went on a vanilla rant and changed the subject.
It seems like Caruso was allowed to foul the crap out of him, though. Will they be letting other "guard" defenders do that to him next season? Did anyone try putting a guard on him during the regular season? I sort of watched the games, but didn't watch them closely. Just mostly had them playing in the background. Didn't they start of with Jaylin Williams guarding him? Who were the primary defenders on him for the series?
You can't oversimplify things like that. Jokic didn't have a single 1v1 possession, their entire gameplan was to shut him down.
Watch again if you haven't noticed, he generated so much space for his team and they were unable to capitalize.
Jokic's teammates shot 9-43 from 3PT in G7. If he had a couple who would punish all the double and triple teaming, OKC would've had to change their strategy.
And you can't reduce the Spurs needs to what OKC did in one game against Denver.
Our biggest issue was every big wing dominating and every competent team winning the rebounding battle against us.
2025 NBA Draft Projection: Round 1, Pick 15-20
Fleming’s elite measurables, great athleticism and shooting potential make it easy to buy into his NBA projection. He may never become a star without great feel for the game or offensive skills, but Fleming at his best could help winning teams. Teams with their core offensive pieces in place would benefit from Fleming’s defense and floor spacing.
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