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Porzi is done. He might try to hang on for a minute but he'll be out of the league before too long.
The Celtics would have to send the Spurs a first round pick for Porzingis. They need to get rid of his contract, there's no reason to pay assets to help them.
Porzi is done. He might try to hang on for a minute but he'll be out of the league before too long.
Yeah. The FRP in this case would go back to the Nets who will take up the contracts of Barnes (Branham could go to the Celtics). Essentially they retain their late FRP and 14th pick to get Barnes (an expiring) and Keldon while giving up Cam Johnson. Its a good deal for them. Perhaps the Spurs can get the Celtics late FRP in exchange for their 38th pick.
if Brian Wright can squeeze an asset out of the Celtics I'm all for it. I'm not wasting that on Cam Johnson though. I want PJ or John Collins and both should cost less.
Some of you really need to stop including Barnes in trades for other role players.
Biyombo got a lot of easy looks down the stretch last season. With minimal squinting, I can see Sorber rolling out of bed posting a 10/12 stat line on day 1 (foot permitting).
I don't know if Wemby can get enough conditioning to handle such a pace, but it would certainly help if he could. Having two young foul-baiters in transition and Fox with his speed will be hard for opponents to deal with already.
What I was getting at was that when the Spurs were actually tanking, they played really fast. So did the Process Sixers, if memory serves. Tanking teams tend to be very young and young players run a lot more than older ones so that's another source of correlation.
I wouldn't say Porzingis and Cam Johnson are just "role players". They are valuable starters in their teams for quite a few seasons now.
Skip Porzingis and MPJ. Even if they play most of the season they will 100% let you down when you need them most in the playoffs.
Cam was at 12ppg with just 1.5 assists in his best Suns season, the definition of a role player.
I don't think tank commander with ultimate green light stats in Brooklyn are relevant.
As I wrote a couple of times, Champagnie is about 70% of Cam Johnson.
I'm not giving up any good assets for him, he's a finishing move to complete the roster, wouldn't change much for us right now since I don't think he can be the PF we need with his career average of 4 rebounds.
Porzingis was never healthy for long stretches and seems to have a myserious illness right now. Not worth considering.
I'm probably in favor of Cillins over all of the available 4's out there because he can play small ball 5 and makes drafting a C before #38 less essential.
trust me, Collins should not play small ball 5. Part of the reason his defensive ranking has always been up and down is because teams tried to let him play C for stretches. His defensive rating was 10 points per 100 posessions worse at C than at PF when he was on the Hawks. He's a good help defender, but not a rim protector.
, Collins should not play small ball 5. Part of the reason his defensive ranking has always been up and down is because teams tried to let him play C for stretches. His defensive rating was 10 points per 100 posessions worse at C than at PF when he was on the Hawks.[/QUOTE]
You also jave to consider what was around him in Atlanta vs Utah vs. SA. I'm not concerned about him logging a few minutes there in certain matchups
the more i look into it, the more i see absolute gold available at #14
What are they odds this pick just gets traded away for more picks? The Spurs are a well-known poverty franchise not looking to hand out more than one rookie contract.
I think they use it, but trading for future picks isn't the worst idea out there either...
I don't think Carter Bryant screams out 'skinny wing' to me. He looks like he has the frame to that will carry more weight easily. He'll be comparable to Richard Jefferson who settled in at 230.
Advanced Stats such as EPM rates Cam Johnson far more highly than a situational role player (and one of the league's worst defenders) like Harrison Barnes. Johnson is also younger than Barnes with a good contract to boot. In his best season with the Suns, Johnson shared court space with late prime Chris Paul, All Star Devin Booker and an all purpose high level starter in Mikal Bridges plus an useful Center in Ayton and he had an above average performance as a 3 and D player. On the Nets, Johnson showed an ability to take the ball to the rack and score beyond just situational three points shooting. Anyone who watched the NBA games would tell you that Cam Johnson is a better player than Barnes and has nearly the same salary.
Johnson is a much better shooter than Champagnie and can handle the ball much better too. EPM stats for the last 3 seasons and particularly the last season would tell that your 70% assessment is bogus.
Playing Johnson allows Sochan to play with Wemby too, IMO. KP in my scheme is a backup which is a worthy place for him to play and he can also share spot minutes with Wemby as a PF/C. Getting him for literally free is something a smart FO will love to do. Yes, the one hitch is the mystery illness, but latest news suggest that he was suffering from a post-viral disorder and the prognosis is that long rest in the offseason should be enough for recuperation.
I don't know of any NBA player quitting because of an undiagnosed illness. Most career stops were due to severe conditions like dangerous blood clots, irreparable physical injuries (to the knee, neck/spine) or psychological issues (a la Royce White or Robert Swift or Delonte West). Illnesses have generally found a cure, at least in the last few years.
Just to add to the above post -
Cam Johnson, OEPM (offense):3.1, 96 %ile
DEPM, defense: -0.7 (28 %ile)
Harrison Barnes: OEPM: 1.8 (89th %ile), DEPM: -1.8 (4th %ile)
Kristaps Porzingis: OEPM: 2.6 (94%), DEPM: 1.0(85th%).
John Collins: OEPM: 0.9 (82%),DEPM: 0.0 (54th%).
Cam Johnson plus KP will be a massive upgrade over Keldon plus Barnes. If we don't land Cam Johnson (who is an easier get because of the possibility of exchanging FRPs with Brooklyn), John Collins can be an option but it won't be as easy to get him as Danny Ainge will ask for way more.
I didn't say Cam isn't better than Barnes, I just don't think he's worth trading for when we have way bigger issues to figure out.
Cam's best season with the Suns in a similar role he'd have with us was 14ppg. Career 39% 3pt shooter.Johnson is a much better shooter than Champagnie and can handle the ball much better too. EPM stats for the last 3 seasons and particularly the last season would tell that your 70% assessment is bogus.
Champ is obviously unproven, but in the only 20 game stretch where he got regular minutes and played 30mpg, he averaged 14ppg on 37% from 3pt on 8 attempts.
Castle's shooting is the key. If he's still at ~30% at the start of the season, I don't think Jeremy can start.Playing Johnson allows Sochan to play with Wemby too, IMO.
I wouldn't mind him as a SF, my issue is that most people suggesting him want to slot him into that PF position, which just can't work since he's a 4rpg forward.
Ideally, I'd keep both Barnes and Champagnie, while getting another 3-D forward.
No place for Devin or Keldon.
Fox/Harper/Castle three man guard rotation.
One legit forward and probably the #14 pick alongside Barnes, Champ and Jeremy for forward positions. Spurs won't get rid of Jeremy, I personally think he's beyond saving if he doesn't develop a functional jumpshot over the summer.
Wemby and a reliable backup.
That should be enough to have a fully functional roster and make the playoffs. We see what we have then we fix whatever needs fixing for the 26-27 when we should be legit contenders. Healthy Wemby will surely be a top3 MVP candidate in 26-27 season.
It's smart until he inevitably gets injured.KP in my scheme is a backup which is a worthy place for him to play and he can also share spot minutes with Wemby as a PF/C. Getting him for literally free is something a smart FO will love to do. Yes, the one hitch is the mystery illness, but latest news suggest that he was suffering from a post-viral disorder and the prognosis is that long rest in the offseason should be enough for recuperation.
I don't know of any NBA player quitting because of an undiagnosed illness. Most career stops were due to severe conditions like dangerous blood clots, irreparable physical injuries (to the knee, neck/spine) or psychological issues (a la Royce White or Robert Swift or Delonte West). Illnesses have generally found a cure, at least in the last few years.
Porzingis hasn't played 70 games since his rookie year.
Missed exactly 82 games over the past 3 seasons. 75% availability.
Wemby surely won't be under heavy load until it's 100% certain DVT has been dealt with, we need someone reliable for that backup position and not another player who's a huge injury risk.
Healthy Porzingis would be great, I'd even consider playing him and Wemby together, but unfortunately I think that ship has sailed.
If we do go for him by some chance, we'd need another reliable big with clean medical record.
If Porzingas really has long COVID as rumored,you’d be paying him $30 M to rehab.
no he won't. Collins might actually opt out cause he wants to win, which would make this a simple sign and trade. Cam Johnson is the more expensive one cause he got 2 more years left on his deal. Unlike Brooklyn, Utah has to trade Collins to squeeze any value out of his contract.
Btw you didn't factor in rebounding, which is one of our teams biggest needs. Collins grabs double the boards Cam Johnson gets.
Utah isn't in that great of a cap situation due to Lauri's max.
If Collins opts in, they'll be just ~3 million below the cap before signing their their new rookies.
Ainge surely wants to leave some of that space open to get another asset or two for taking on a bad contract at the deadline.
Cam and Collins shouldn't be compared, different players.
Collins is a traditional, physical PF who can also shoot the ball.
Cam is a traditional 3-D SF with double the 3pt volume.
They'd actually be a great forward duo and Fox/Castle/Cam/Collins/Wemby lineup would make a lot of sense.
his contract is expiring. it wouldnt take a pick to move off of it
Collins actually hinted in his exit interview that he would like to sign a new deal and be "in the right situation" and that he's "open to anything". So the Spurs can absolutely get him if they want to. It's just a matter of who they ship out and what is attached to it. This dude is one of the most underrated players in the NBA to me.
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