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    Always reliable Dusty Garza talking about smoke getting thicker.

    There's about 10% chance Harper isn't a Spur on the opening night.
    5% for Nico making another re ed move and not taking Flagg.
    5% for Spurs potentially trading for Giannis.

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    Unless Spurs are getting back something ridiculous in return, just take the kid and roll with it, if by next year it becomes obvious that you can't have all three of Fox, Castle and Harper in your roster, then you move one of them in a better draft and with more certainty on who is the odd man out.

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    Oden's health issues surely were there far before he ever got to Portland, he had a leg differential and other issues that made him a bigger risk than advertised, it was more about a poor risk evaluation than mishandling his career, much like it happened with Brandon Roy.
    whats crazy is everybody knew KD was a monster and would likely be a historic scorer. his comp i remember in college was being TMac in the body of KG. as a freshman he averaged 26/11 with 2 blocks and 2 steals on 47/40/82 shooting and was playing legit NBA minutes at 37mpg. he was the first freshman to ever win national player of the year. there were really very few questions about him other than being skinny

    and despite all that, oden was still the consensus pick. that says a lot. he was special.

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    Dusty Garza? Really? You’re going to quote him in a forum built on people who left his old forum?

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    whats crazy is everybody knew KD was a monster and would likely be a historic scorer. his comp i remember in college was being TMac in the body of KG. as a freshman he averaged 26/11 with 2 blocks and 2 steals on 47/40/82 shooting and was playing legit NBA minutes at 37mpg. he was the first freshman to ever win national player of the year. there were really very few questions about him other than being skinny

    and despite all that, oden was still the consensus pick. that says a lot. he was special.
    I don't remember who it was and I might be paraphrasing, but it was said at the time that you just had to see them move to make the right pick, one looked like an old man (Oden) while the other seemed to glide (Durant). I think fluidity and coordination are very often overshadowed by athleticism and power, but they are great predictors of upside. I remember watching Salaun's tape last year, and it was crazy to me anyone would want him at 8 for the Spurs. Lo and behold, he looks like a late 2nd rounder. Plenty of others in that mold get overhyped.

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    Dusty Garza is the Bob Hill of of Skip Bayless's.

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    Dusty Garza is the Bob Hill of of Skip Bayless's.
    He grew up to be an engagement farming bot.

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    So Dusty is saying the 2nd pick may or may not be traded. No news at 11.

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    Dusty Garza? Really? You’re going to quote him in a forum built on people who left his old forum?
    Left? Most of us were banned by the m'fer!

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    What are the odds they pick exactly at the position where the guy they like is mocked two years in a row. Very low imo, if they don't trade imo they just don't have any scouting backbone anymore.

    They're too much value to pass up for a team that could get (and need) starters and still make a pick and too much trouble coming their way if Harper is a bust.

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    What are the odds they pick exactly at the position where the guy they like is mocked two years in a row. Very low imo, if they don't trade imo they just don't have any scouting backbone anymore.

    They're too much value to pass up for a team that could get (and need) starters and still make a pick and too much trouble coming their way if Harper is a bust.
    I don't understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase that? Are you saying they shouldn't pick Harper or that they should trade the pick?

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    What are the odds they pick exactly at the position where the guy they like is mocked two years in a row. Very low imo, if they don't trade imo they just don't have any scouting backbone anymore.

    They're too much value to pass up for a team that could get (and need) starters and still make a pick and too much trouble coming their way if Harper is a bust.
    You know, not everyone was made to talk basketball. Maybe you should take up needlepoint or punch yourself in the real hard?

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    You know, not everyone was made to talk basketball. Maybe you should take up needlepoint or punch yourself in the real hard?
    Just not at the same time. Boundaries are important.

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    What are the odds they pick exactly at the position where the guy they like is mocked two years in a row. Very low imo, if they don't trade imo they just don't have any scouting backbone anymore.

    They're too much value to pass up for a team that could get (and need) starters and still make a pick and too much trouble coming their way if Harper is a bust.
    Harper isn't going to be a bust. He's going to be the second best player on the Spurs behind Wemby.

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    Harper isn't going to be a bust. He's going to be the second best player on the Spurs behind Wemby.
    Harper definitely can be a bust. There are plenty of valid concerns about his game. There are zero guarantees. I dont think he will be, but hes not some Lebron/Duncan level prospect to be clear.

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    I don't understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase that? Are you saying they shouldn't pick Harper or that they should trade the pick?
    I'm guessing he/she is saying
    1) Spurs just taking whoever is mocked at their position is an indicator they don't have strong feelings towards any particular player.
    2) Spurs should cash in on #2 now rather than taking the chance Harper is a bust. Bird in hand over 2 in the bush sort of thing
    I disagree on 2 except if the offer is ridiculous, you take the talent with the star upside and Harper is that.
    But 1, even if poorly made, I've felt for some time has a point. The flaw is pointing out drafts where Spurs had picks in a range where most of us all agreed with (Wemby at 1, Castle at 4, now Harper at 2). Making those picks isn't a strong indicator of drafting ability, but it also isn't evidence for the lack of it. Where this in my opinion does show, is that they NEVER move up or down, except for marginal stuff in the 2nd round. If you have a strong scouting department who believes in a prospect, you should be willing to move up or down as needed to make sure you get your guy or pick up assets and still getting your guy or another player close in value. Like, say, Dallas has made many times: traded down from 6 to 9 and still picked Nowitzki and a pick that they used to trade for Nash. Or when they gave up a future first to move up from 5 to 3 and take Luka. That is a strong indicator they had a clear target and were willing to deal with whatever obstacles were in their way to get them. If Spurs had landed 5 or 6 last year, would they have traded for 4, or would we be complaining right now about Salaun looking like Primo 2.0? Why don't they ever nail a 2nd rounder in what seems like ages? (they got a nice role player in Tre Jones who could play for a tanking team but has little market value). It's something I've wonder before.

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    Harper definitely can be a bust. There are plenty of valid concerns about his game. There are zero guarantees. I dont think he will be, but hes not some Lebron/Duncan level prospect to be clear.
    He's a special talent. He's not going to be a bust outside of injury.

    Can't believe how people don't see how this guy is going to be something special.

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    He can be special, everyone sees that which is why hes the consensus number 2 pick.

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    What are the odds they pick exactly at the position where the guy they like is mocked two years in a row. Very low imo, if they don't trade imo they just don't have any scouting backbone anymore.

    They're too much value to pass up for a team that could get (and need) starters and still make a pick and too much trouble coming their way if Harper is a bust.
    Argle Bargle.

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    Harper definitely can be a bust. There are plenty of valid concerns about his game. There are zero guarantees. I dont think he will be, but hes not some Lebron/Duncan level prospect to be clear.
    High floor, high ceiling. You take and keep that every time.

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    Take that number two pick and run, don't walk, run away with it and get start working to unleash that three guard lineup on the NBA next season. Only way to even think about giving it up is if the offer is well in the Spurs' favour, if not, no thanks.

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    Always reliable Dusty Garza talking about smoke getting thicker.

    There's about 10% chance Harper isn't a Spur on the opening night.
    5% for Nico making another re ed move and not taking Flagg.
    5% for Spurs potentially trading for Giannis.
    I don't think there's a chance the Spurs trade the #2 for Giannis. Maybe like half a percent chance.

    I do think there's a chance Nico takes Dylan Harper and Flagg drops. In a normal world, no, but in this case, yes, there's a slim chance. There's even a hilarious but extremely thin chance he takes Bailey.

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    He's a special talent. He's not going to be a bust outside of injury.

    Can't believe how people don't see how this guy is going to be something special.
    Hard to see with no tourney games.

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    He's a special talent. He's not going to be a bust outside of injury.

    Can't believe how people don't see how this guy is going to be something special.
    Shaedon Sharpe can't miss...he's got next etc, etc. I expect Harper to pan out, but I also expected Sharpe to be better than he is. Things aren't always what they seem to fans... That said, do I take Harper @ 2? Absolutely, but let's not anoint him as something that he's not yet.

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    Hard to see with no tourney games.
    I don't think people understand how bad the rest of that team was. Same people bring up Bailey's lack of playmaking, but it would've looked a lot better if his teammates could actually make lay ups. Harper scoring like that on such a trash team make his stats even more impressive.

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