Spurs trade ideas

[Chinook]

There are a few here that keep mentioning how Dallas might (small chance) take Harper #1. I don't see it, but they do have Nico so who knows. Anyway, my question is in that scenario and we take Flagg , what players would we target by trade, FA, draft, etc would we target to round out the team?

I was going to say that I can't imagine a scenario where Dallas doesn't at least trade with the Spurs if they wanted Harper. But then I considered a scenario where the Spurs, realizing Dallas wanted Harper more than Flagg, convinced Dallas they were unwilling to trade up because they also thought Harper was the better prospect. Thus they'd make Dallas take Harper at 1 to guarantee the Mavs get him, and the Spurs would get Flagg without having to move up.

Honestly build Wright a statue if he pulled that off ... unless something actually ends up being wrong with Flagg.

[scott]

There are a few here that keep mentioning how Dallas might (small chance) take Harper #1. I don't see it, but they do have Nico so who knows. Anyway, my question is in that scenario and we take Flagg , what players would we target by trade, FA, draft, etc would we target to round out the team?

Oh this is fun. So we're assuming that the Mavs just take Harper and don't even milk us for any kind of asset?

My gut tells me that someone like McNeeley becomes more of a target... but the more I think of it, the more I can make cases for a lot of directions:

• I would strongly consider Sorber or Queen here, even more than before. I want to invest not just in a backup C, but in high end, long-term Wemby insurance. The DVT was a freak thing, but the truth is that he's a 7'5" physical anomaly, and health problems sometimes follow these guys. I most certainly think that Flagg can be a building block should something happen to Wemby, so I want the ability to pivot to a Flagg/Castle core without having to pause and reset. Having a capable C to step right in goes a long way in doing that, IMO.
• Someone like Jase Richardson might suddenly be in play. What about Nolan Traore? I'd say the same about Fears if he fell this far. But another high upside guard with scoring potential. They'd be a bench piece to start, grooming to fill in next to Castle once Fox's extension ends and he starts to decline. Honestly, might be too soon to be thinking that way... but I think we could use more scoring punch off the bench. Traore would be more of a big swing. Jaku and Demin could likewise be in play but less for the scoring punch and more to just be a capable backup PG
• Otherwise, I think we just stick with the same thought process we have now - just add the best talent available. I'm assuming Flagg is a 4 for us, so a SF seems like the biggest need, but Flagg can also be a 3 in which case we still need the same type of 4 we've been talking about.
• In FA, I think there are the same needs. Stretch PF, backup C.
• This would be a lifeline for Vassell's Spurs career, IMO, as his pathway to big minutes remains open.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Thanks for clarifying... wish Spotrac would update their logic and remove 24-25 League Year trades from their machine if this is the case

I find the fanspo trade machine much better in this sense, although the UI is truly horrible.

[scott]

I find the fanspo trade machine much better in this sense, although the UI is truly horrible.

I have found the Fanspo logic to be off sometimes... I'll just need to remember to put Spotrac in 25-26 mode.

Spotrac also recently added a S&T feature, which is nice

[Em-City]

Do Boston get any concessions cap wise with a disabled player exemption for Tatum?

[mo7888]

Oh this is fun. So we're assuming that the Mavs just take Harper and don't even milk us for any kind of asset?

My gut tells me that someone like McNeeley becomes more of a target... but the more I think of it, the more I can make cases for a lot of directions:

• I would strongly consider Sorber or Queen here, even more than before. I want to invest not just in a backup C, but in high end, long-term Wemby insurance. The DVT was a freak thing, but the truth is that he's a 7'5" physical anomaly, and health problems sometimes follow these guys. I most certainly think that Flagg can be a building block should something happen to Wemby, so I want the ability to pivot to a Flagg/Castle core without having to pause and reset. Having a capable C to step right in goes a long way in doing that, IMO.
• Someone like Jase Richardson might suddenly be in play. What about Nolan Traore? I'd say the same about Fears if he fell this far. But another high upside guard with scoring potential. They'd be a bench piece to start, grooming to fill in next to Castle once Fox's extension ends and he starts to decline. Honestly, might be too soon to be thinking that way... but I think we could use more scoring punch off the bench. Traore would be more of a big swing. Jaku and Demin could likewise be in play but less for the scoring punch and more to just be a capable backup PG
• Otherwise, I think we just stick with the same thought process we have now - just add the best talent available. I'm assuming Flagg is a 4 for us, so a SF seems like the biggest need, but Flagg can also be a 3 in which case we still need the same type of 4 we've been talking about.
• In FA, I think there are the same needs. Stretch PF, backup C.
• This would be a lifeline for Vassell's Spurs career, IMO, as his pathway to big minutes remains open.

I thought this might be a fun little thought exercise. In the draft i think it eliminates the Flemings of the world. I think we'd be looking at a 2/3 and a backup C. It's the trade/FA market that has me a little stumped. Maybe we resign CP3? Or another bench guard like a Trent Jr type? I'm just not sure...

[exstatic]

The fun thing is, SA can literally plug in either Harper or Flagg, and be good, but I’m pretty sure Dallas will be better with Harper than Flagg. They need a creator.

[poopbox]

There is a difference between doing big trade and be in this situation vs draft, luck out lottery, trade for basically free and be in situation.

Sure. But financially you get to the same place.

[Atl Spur]

Murray Boyles just might do the trick….

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Murray Boyles just might do the trick….

His 3 point shooting looks like Mitc Robinson’s free throw shooting.

[venitian navigator]

Fox and Malaki 4 injured (possibly out 4 the season) Irving and Flagg works...Dallas Is not that far from SA and Is Builded already as a contending team ...si Fix could be not that disappointed...

[Bruno]

A not-fun and not-great scenario that could totally happen this summer is Spurs just not doing trades.

Spurs offseason would be something like Harper at #2, a project like Carter Bryant at #14 and using the MLE on a backup center.

After that, Spurs team will look like that:
Starting lineup: Fox/Castle/Vassell/Sochan/Wembanyama
Bench: Harper, Keldon, Champagnie, Barnes and the backup center.

Even if there are legit reasons to doubt on players like Vassell and Sochan, it isn't a that bad team.

[tbdog]

Fox and Malaki 4 injured (possibly out 4 the season) Irving and Flagg works...Dallas Is not that far from SA and Is Builded already as a contending team ...si Fix could be not that disappointed...

That's not happening.

[RC_Drunkford]

A not-fun and not-great scenario that could totally happen this summer is Spurs just not doing trades.

Spurs offseason would be something like Harper at #2, a project like Carter Bryant at #14 and using the MLE on a backup center.

After that, Spurs team will look like that:
Starting lineup: Fox/Castle/Vassell/Sochan/Wembanyama
Bench: Harper, Keldon, Champagnie, Barnes and the backup center.

Even if there are legit reasons to doubt on players like Vassell and Sochan, it isn't a that bad team.

I'd be pretty disappointed at that

[jesterbobman]

A not-fun and not-great scenario that could totally happen this summer is Spurs just not doing trades.

Spurs offseason would be something like Harper at #2, a project like Carter Bryant at #14 and using the MLE on a backup center.

After that, Spurs team will look like that:
Starting lineup: Fox/Castle/Vassell/Sochan/Wembanyama
Bench: Harper, Keldon, Champagnie, Barnes and the backup center.

Even if there are legit reasons to doubt on players like Vassell and Sochan, it isn't a that bad team.

It's kind of fine, but I think the Spurs should see that there's quite a bit of a size issue at 4.

I don't think it's worth going all in with trades, but giving up something like the Utah 2nd round pick next year, 38, and whatever meh quality seconds are needed to grease the wheels to get Hauser and John Collins (with Keldon, Malaki, Blake, Champ on the way out) would be a great add.

Fox / Castle / Vassell / Collins / Wemby
Harper / Hauser / Barnes / Sochan / FA C
Carter / Mamu / Miles Byrd (or Raynaud, or ... at 38)

Seems like a big fit upgrade, and doesn't use up too much in terms of future assets.

[Ice009]

Man, the draft feels so, so far away. Not sure I've ever anticipated one like this before.

I love the discussion you're all having as there's been some great ideas from people here (it's been amazing), but darn, all these scenarios and waiting for the draft is getting harder and harder .

[Robz4000]

A not-fun and not-great scenario that could totally happen this summer is Spurs just not doing trades.

Spurs offseason would be something like Harper at #2, a project like Carter Bryant at #14 and using the MLE on a backup center.

After that, Spurs team will look like that:
Starting lineup: Fox/Castle/Vassell/Sochan/Wembanyama
Bench: Harper, Keldon, Champagnie, Barnes and the backup center.

Even if there are legit reasons to doubt on players like Vassell and Sochan, it isn't a that bad team.

Honestly wouldn't hate that provided the Spurs are willing to shake things up to bring in a shooter should there be no notable internal improvement from anyone.

[Bruno]

It's kind of fine, but I think the Spurs should see that there's quite a bit of a size issue at 4.

I don't think it's worth going all in with trades, but giving up something like the Utah 2nd round pick next year, 38, and whatever meh quality seconds are needed to grease the wheels to get Hauser and John Collins (with Keldon, Malaki, Blake, Champ on the way out) would be a great add.

If you want to get Collins (for the record, I don't), I think it's going to cost a little more than that. My guess would be something around Keldon + #14 for Collins + #21.

[Bruno]

JJJ didn't make an all NBA team, which has interesting consequences, since he can't sign a designated vet extension.

If Memphis want to sign JJJ to a raise and extend contract this summer, they will need to have enough cap space. One way is to salary dump Brandon Clarke, another way is to renounce at Santi Aldama. They obviously rather dump Clark but it might cost them a first round pick or swap to get ride of his $25M/2 years contract.

Will Memphis take the risk to have JJ hitting UFA in 2026 or will they sacrifice Aldama or significant draft capital to avoid that?

[SpursBills]

What's the relative trade value of PJ Washington vs Collins vs Cam Johnson? I like all 3 for different reasons, but personally prefer PJ just for the simple reason that he seems to consistently on OKC and matching up with them is basically my primary point of concern for the foreseeable future. Normally this seems like a bad idea to build your team around matching up with a single team but with their assets, quality of their front office, and the age of their core, I think they are going to be a problem for at least the next 5 if not 10 years.

[Chinook]

If JJJ will sign an extension, then they will make whatever move necessary to accommodate that. But I doubt they'd make the salary-dumping move early if he's unsure. With the MLE being able to absorb players in a trade, I don't know that they'd have a ton of difficulty in dealing Clarke, who despite his limitations. If the Spurs draft a center at 14, I wouldn't be against them bringing in Clarke to provide compe ion and depth. He rolls off before Victor's next deal kicks in. Memphis doesn't have the 20th pick. Their pick (18) is going to Washington as part of the Porzingas (and before that Smart) trade. Their only picks are 48 and 56. I would give them 38 and take Clarke in exchange for a future first.

[Bruno]

Memphis doesn't have the 20th pick. Their pick (18) is going to Washington as part of the Porzingas (and before that Smart) trade. Their only picks are 48 and 56. I would give them 38 and take Clarke in exchange for a future first.

Yeah, my bad on the pick. I just don't think they will be able to salary dump Clark by only offering second round picks. It should cost them a least a first round pick swap.

[LeBowen]

JJJ has no incentive to sign an extension. He can make a lot more money if he make the all-NBA next season and if he doesn't he'll still get the same extension from Grizzlies, even if he gets injured.

What's the relative trade value of PJ Washington vs Collins vs Cam Johnson? I like all 3 for different reasons, but personally prefer PJ just for the simple reason that he seems to consistently on OKC and matching up with them is basically my primary point of concern for the foreseeable future. Normally this seems like a bad idea to build your team around matching up with a single team but with their assets, quality of their front office, and the age of their core, I think they are going to be a problem for at least the next 5 if not 10 years.

Collins is definitely the cheapest because he wants to compete and has a player option. It wouldn't surprise me if a S&T happens with Utah getting either a decent young player or a late FRP.
Cam Johnson is kind of an unknown because the Nets have nothing on the roster and can wait for a contender to get desperate at the deadline. They were asking for 2 FRPs this deadline, obviously too much, but someone will give them a good FRP.
Washington's value depends on what the Mavs get back. They can't just take anyone, any trade involving him and/or Gafford will result in Mavs getting a ballhandler, imo. Since they're both expirings they can't ask for much, but non-lottery FRP for each seems like fair value. We could easily do it by giving them their swap back.

[CGD]

A not-fun and not-great scenario that could totally happen this summer is Spurs just not doing trades.

Spurs offseason would be something like Harper at #2, a project like Carter Bryant at #14 and using the MLE on a backup center.

After that, Spurs team will look like that:
Starting lineup: Fox/Castle/Vassell/Sochan/Wembanyama
Bench: Harper, Keldon, Champagnie, Barnes and the backup center.

Even if there are legit reasons to doubt on players like Vassell and Sochan, it isn't a that bad team.

What would you want to see, Bruno?

And is your primary concern running back the current depth on the team (eg Devin/Keldon)?

[eric365]

Spurs have something like 5 second round picks in 2026. What could they do with it?
Could they just exchange some of them for second round pick in another futur draft?