2025 NBA Draft

[Gagnrath]

It’s not what it says on his scouting report, i.e here’s one: https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article...163430295.html

“it’s not often a player his size can move as fluidly as he does as a shot creator, whether he’s ball-faking then attacking a closeout, slingshotting toward the basket off a screen, or dribbling in transition. He has a tight crossover, mixes in euro-steps, and can get into soft floaters, touch layups, or ferocious tomahawk dunks”

On top of being a monster on the board, can hit outside, and Wemby’s friend. The more I watch this guy, the more I’m convinced he will be the #14 pick.

Did you watch the clip.... Not a single legal dribble in it carrying and palming non-stop.... Not saying that the NBA calls even a 10th of the illegal dribbling that happens in a game but its better not to give the refs that chance.

[objective]

Using the exception to make a rule. Chris Duarte called.

With his first 3 year's production, if White had been drafted in the lottery, he would have been considered a bust. As it is,he’s a connector/high level defender, not the All Star or All NBA player that I was referring to at the end of the post, had you read that far.

If White's first three years were under a different coach, he would not have been considered a bust at all

His rookie year was the typical Pop nonsense where it was easy to predict and see that despite being no worst than the 4th best guard on the roster and likely at least the 3rd best guard, he would not be played because Pop is Pop

Second year he was the sole reason the Spurs made the playoffs after he came back from injury and was also the reason the Spurs should have won in the first round instead of losing in Pop's last terrible coached playoff failure.

Then his third year again was a Pop disaster where Pop refused to let him compete to start at any position and furthermore refused to allow him to play with Dejounte until the COVID break, another legendary Pop headscratching choice that he was lucky to never get criticized over because the national media was happy to finally get to ignore the inconsequential Spurs.

Derrick White in his mid 20s was purposefully, intentionally held to under 24 minutes a game ... Would eventually be playing 36 minutes a game in the finals on the way to a le.

I can't believe Pop lasted another 5 years and was trying to stick around for more when he was severely mishandling things back in the teens.

[BackHome]

One thing watching the playoffs size/rebounding and shooting are what makes teams advance if you don’t have it for most positions your not going to advance.

[bluebellmaniac]

This should be my last Board until we pass the deadline to withdraw from the draft. Yaxel Lendeborg is a potential withdraw guy.

Tier 1:
1. Cooper Flagg
Tier 2:
2. Dylan Harper
Tier 3:
3. V.J Edgecombe
4. Ace Bailey
Tier 4:
5. Tre Johnson
6. Jon Knueppel
7. Kasparas Jackucionis
8. Liam McNeely
9. Thomas Sorber
10. Egor Demin
11. Carter Bryant
Tier 5:
12. Jeremiah Fears
13. Noa Essengue
14. Shaman Maluach
15. Rasheer Fleming
16. Derick Queen

17. Jase Richardson
18. Cedric Coward
Tier 6:
19. Will Riley
20. Nolan Traore
21. Ben Saraf
22. Yaxel Lendeborg
23. Maxime Raynaud
Tier 7:
24. Asa Newell
25. Ryan Kalkbrenner
26. Danny Wolf
27. Drake Powell
28. Walter Clayton jr
29. Alex Condon
30. Noah Penda

Remember, on my board look at the tiers as opposed to individual rank. For instance, if we pick Harper at #2 you wouldn't take Fears at 14 over say Fleming even though he's higher.

Is Shaman a native American?

[mo7888]

Is Shaman a native American?

South Sudan

[bluebellmaniac]

South Sudan

Oh, you mean Khaman!

[mo7888]

Oh, you mean Khaman!

Yup. Thank you for pointing out my typo. I've corrected it.

[RC_Drunkford]

If White's first three years were under a different coach, he would not have been considered a bust at all

His rookie year was the typical Pop nonsense where it was easy to predict and see that despite being no worst than the 4th best guard on the roster and likely at least the 3rd best guard, he would not be played because Pop is Pop

Second year he was the sole reason the Spurs made the playoffs after he came back from injury and was also the reason the Spurs should have won in the first round instead of losing in Pop's last terrible coached playoff failure.

Then his third year again was a Pop disaster where Pop refused to let him compete to start at any position and furthermore refused to allow him to play with Dejounte until the COVID break, another legendary Pop headscratching choice that he was lucky to never get criticized over because the national media was happy to finally get to ignore the inconsequential Spurs.

Derrick White in his mid 20s was purposefully, intentionally held to under 24 minutes a game ... Would eventually be playing 36 minutes a game in the finals on the way to a le.

I can't believe Pop lasted another 5 years and was trying to stick around for more when he was severely mishandling things back in the teens.

can't let White take valuable minutes away from Pop's high character pet Bryn Forbes. He had the starting SG position locked.

[rankingtear]

If White's first three years were under a different coach, he would not have been considered a bust at all

His rookie year was the typical Pop nonsense where it was easy to predict and see that despite being no worst than the 4th best guard on the roster and likely at least the 3rd best guard, he would not be played because Pop is Pop

Second year he was the sole reason the Spurs made the playoffs after he came back from injury and was also the reason the Spurs should have won in the first round instead of losing in Pop's last terrible coached playoff failure.

Then his third year again was a Pop disaster where Pop refused to let him compete to start at any position and furthermore refused to allow him to play with Dejounte until the COVID break, another legendary Pop headscratching choice that he was lucky to never get criticized over because the national media was happy to finally get to ignore the inconsequential Spurs.

Derrick White in his mid 20s was purposefully, intentionally held to under 24 minutes a game ... Would eventually be playing 36 minutes a game in the finals on the way to a le.

I can't believe Pop lasted another 5 years and was trying to stick around for more when he was severely mishandling things back in the teens.

Nah White has zero confidence, you use him differently in his first 2 years and fails he would be out if the league. Pop tried to do what spurms fans want his last year here and it failed miserably, that is just not his game he is a 3 and D guard on a team with star wings like Georgie.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

One thing watching the playoffs size/rebounding and shooting are what makes teams advance if you don’t have it for most positions your not going to advance.

I mean it sounds true but OKC are literally near the bottom in both rebounding and shooting in the playoffs.

These playoffs have been incredible but also wildly weird, perhaps the only things that can be taken as conclusions are that depth matters because of the increased intensity and that pace creates match-up advantages. Defending without fouling is a positive too obviously.

[RC_Drunkford]

I mean it sounds true but OKC are literally near the bottom in both rebounding and shooting in the playoffs.

These playoffs have been incredible but also wildly weird, perhaps the only things that can be taken as conclusions are that depth matters because of the increased intensity and that pace creates match-up issues. Defending without fouling is a positive obviously too.

the strength of OKC is shutting down the paint and creating liveball turnovers. If you have guards who can get in the lane and players who make outside shots at a high clip, that defense will have problems.

Offensively all you have to do is prevent SGA from getting to his midrange spots. So you double or force him into help. The other players have to rotate properly. They just look dominant because there aren't any elite teams in the league.

Having Wemby in the paint would already give OKC huge problems to score. If MPJ was healthy Denver beats them.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

the strength of OKC is shutting down the paint and creating liveball turnovers. If you have guards who can get in the lane and players who make outside shots at a high clip, that defense will have problems.

Offensively all you have to do is prevent SGA from getting to his midrange spots. So you double or force him into help. The other players have to rotate properly. They just look dominant because there aren't any elite teams in the league.

Having Wemby in the paint would already give OKC huge problems to score. If MPJ was healthy Denver beats them.

All true in theory but OKC have been the team giving Wemby the most issues in his young career, he's been horrible against them outside of one game, both offensively and defensively.

[exstatic]

All true in theory but OKC have been the team giving Wemby the most issues in his young career, he's been horrible against them outside of one game, both offensively and defensively.

Think of the guards he was playing with as a rookie. Now, swap those out for Fox, Castle, and Harper.

In that podcast where Fox appeared, The Deep Three, he talked about a game where the pick and roll with he and Wemby caused some defensive errors, and they each said that they had never had both defenders go with the other player. With both players healthy, next year is going to be fun.

[ginobilized]

Sorber is far more skilled than Splitter/Poeltl though. I'd compare him to Roy Hibbert/Al Horford. He's a pretty safe bet to be a starting C with offensive upside to be an elite one.

As far as body type, his best comparison is Myles Turner.

Let's keep this on the dl. Our opponents might be reading and grab him before 14.

Totally agree on Sorber's offensive potential. I guess I'm so used to Pop using centers in a certain role that I was ignoring his offense.
With TD around, I can only imagine what his ceiling could be. I trust the Spurs to correctly read his foot issues as far as the risk factor there.

[exstatic]

Let's keep this on the dl. Our opponents might be reading and grab him before 14.

Totally agree on Sorber's offensive potential. I guess I'm so used to Pop using centers in a certain role that I was ignoring his offense.
With TD around, I can only imagine what his ceiling could be. I trust the Spurs to correctly read his foot issues as far as the risk factor there.

Atlanta actually needs a center.

[John B]

From SI today. Curious how Sorber is mocked at #23. I’d take him at #14 instead of Carter Bryant, who I see as Spurs pick on most mocked drafts. I like Carter Bryant and would not hate that pick at #14. And Johni Broome or Vlad Goldin or even Miles Byrd at #38

If I could get Carter Bryant (3&D at SF/PF) and a backup C (Johni Broome or Goldin) at #38, I’d be a happy camper too.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/mock-drafts-big-boards/2025-nba-mock-draft-two-round-projections-with-less-than-one-month-remaining

1. Dallas Mavericks: Cooper Flagg (Duke)
2. San Antonio Spurs: Dylan Harper (Rutgers)
3. Philadelphia 76ers: Ace Bailey (Rutgers)
4. Charlotte Hornets: VJ Edgecombe (Baylor)
5. Utah Jazz: Tre Johnson (Texas)
6. Washington Wizards: Kon Knueppel (Duke)
7. New Orleans Pelicans: Khaman Maluach (Duke)
8. Brooklyn Nets: Jeremiah Fears (Oklahoma)
9. Toronto Raptors: Noa Essengue (INTL)
10. Houston Rockets: Kasparas Jakucionis (Illinois)
11. Portland Trail Blazers: Derik Queen (Maryland)
12. Chicago Bulls: Collin Murray-Boyles (South Carolina)
13. Atanta Hawks (via SAC): Cedric Coward (Washington State)
14. San Antonio Spurs (via ATL): Carter Bryant (Arizona)
15. OKC Thunder (via MIA): Asa Newell (Georgia)
16. Orlando Magic: Liam McNeeley (UConn)
17. Minnesota Timberwolves (via DET): Egor Demin (BYU)
18. Washington Wizards (via MEM): Nolan Traore (INTL)
19. Brooklyn Nets (via MIL): Noah Penda (INTL)
20. Miami Heat (via GSW): Jase Richardson (Michigan State)
21. Utah Jazz (via MIN): Nique Clifford (Colorado State)
22. Atlanta Hawks (via LAL): Rasheer Fleming (St. Joseph's)
23. Indiana Pacers: Thomas Sorber (Georgetown)
24. OKC Thunder (via LAC): Will Riley (Illinois)
25. Orlando Magic (via DEN): Hugo Gonzalez (INTL)
26. Brooklyn Nets (via NYK): Ben Saraf (INTL)
27. Brooklyn Nets (via HOU): Joan Beringer (INTL)
28. Boston Celtics: Danny Wolf (Michigan)
29. Phoenix Suns (via CLE): Maxime Raynaud (Stanford)
30. LA Clippers (via OKC): Drake Powell (North Carolina)
31. Minnesota Timberwolves (via UTA): Yaxel Lendeborg (UAB)
32. Boston Celtics (via WAS): Walter Clayton Jr. (Florida)
33. Charlotte Hornets: Hansen Yang (INTL)
34. Charlotte Hornets (via NOP): Bogoljub Markovic (INTL)
35. Philadelphia 76ers: Alex Toohey (INTL)
36. Brooklyn Nets: Michael Ruzic (INTL)
37. Detroit Pistons (via TOR): Adou Thiero (Arkansas)
38. San Antonio Spurs: Isaiah Evans (Duke)
39. Toronto Raptors (via POR): Johni Broome (Auburn)
40. Washington Wizards (via PHX): Labaron Philon (Alabama)
41. Golden State Warriors (via MIA): Neoklis Avdalas (INTL)
42. Sacramento Kings (via CHI): Chaz Lanier (Tennessee)
43. Utah Jazz (via DAL): Tahaad Pettiford (Auburn)
44. OKC Thunder (via ATL): Miles Byrd (San Diego State)
45. Chicago Bulls (via SAC): Alex Condon (Florida)
46. Orlando Magic: Sergio De Larrea (INTL)
47. Milwaukee Bucks (via DET): Ryan Kalkbrenner (Creighton)
48. Memphis Grizzlies (via GSW): Jamir Watkins (Florida State)
49. Cleveland Cavaliers (via MIL): JT Toppin (Texas Tech)
50. New York Knicks (via MEM): Kam Jones (Marquette)
51. LA Clippers (via MIN): Hunter Sallis (Wake Forest)
52. Phoenix Suns (via DEN): Johann Grunloh (INTL)
53. Utah Jazz (via LAC): Yanic Konan Niederhauser (Penn State)
54. Indiana Pacers: Kobe Sanders (Nevada)
55. Los Angeles Lakers: Koby Brea (Kentucky)
---New York Knicks (FORFEITED)---
56. Memphis Grizzlies (via HOU): Mouhamed Faye (INTL)
57. Orlando Magic (via BOS): Rocco Zikarsky (INTL)
58. Cleveland Cavaliers: Otega Oweh (Kentucky)
59. Houston Rockets (via OKC): John Tonje (Wisconsin)

[exstatic]

Let's keep this on the dl. Our opponents might be reading and grab him before 14.

Totally agree on Sorber's offensive potential. I guess I'm so used to Pop using centers in a certain role that I was ignoring his offense.
With TD around, I can only imagine what his ceiling could be. I trust the Spurs to correctly read his foot issues as far as the risk factor there.

I did a little dive on this, fearing that it was the dreaded fifth metatarsal, but it’s a monster case of turf toe that required surgery.

[scottspurs]

From SI today. Curious how Sorber is mocked at #23. I’d take him at #14 instead of Carter Bryant, who I see as Spurs pick on most mocked drafts. I like Carter Bryant and would not hate that pick at #14. And Johni Broome or Vlad Goldin or even Miles Byrd at #38

If I could get Carter Bryant (3&D at SF/PF) and a backup C (Johni Broome or Goldin) at #38, I’d be a happy camper too.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/mock-drafts-big-boards/2025-nba-mock-draft-two-round-projections-with-less-than-one-month-remaining

1. Dallas Mavericks: Cooper Flagg (Duke)
2. San Antonio Spurs: Dylan Harper (Rutgers)
3. Philadelphia 76ers: Ace Bailey (Rutgers)
4. Charlotte Hornets: VJ Edgecombe (Baylor)
5. Utah Jazz: Tre Johnson (Texas)
6. Washington Wizards: Kon Knueppel (Duke)
7. New Orleans Pelicans: Khaman Maluach (Duke)
8. Brooklyn Nets: Jeremiah Fears (Oklahoma)
9. Toronto Raptors: Noa Essengue (INTL)
10. Houston Rockets: Kasparas Jakucionis (Illinois)
11. Portland Trail Blazers: Derik Queen (Maryland)
12. Chicago Bulls: Collin Murray-Boyles (South Carolina)
13. Atanta Hawks (via SAC): Cedric Coward (Washington State)
14. San Antonio Spurs (via ATL): Carter Bryant (Arizona)
15. OKC Thunder (via MIA): Asa Newell (Georgia)
16. Orlando Magic: Liam McNeeley (UConn)
17. Minnesota Timberwolves (via DET): Egor Demin (BYU)
18. Washington Wizards (via MEM): Nolan Traore (INTL)
19. Brooklyn Nets (via MIL): Noah Penda (INTL)
20. Miami Heat (via GSW): Jase Richardson (Michigan State)
21. Utah Jazz (via MIN): Nique Clifford (Colorado State)
22. Atlanta Hawks (via LAL): Rasheer Fleming (St. Joseph's)
23. Indiana Pacers: Thomas Sorber (Georgetown)
24. OKC Thunder (via LAC): Will Riley (Illinois)
25. Orlando Magic (via DEN): Hugo Gonzalez (INTL)
26. Brooklyn Nets (via NYK): Ben Saraf (INTL)
27. Brooklyn Nets (via HOU): Joan Beringer (INTL)
28. Boston Celtics: Danny Wolf (Michigan)
29. Phoenix Suns (via CLE): Maxime Raynaud (Stanford)
30. LA Clippers (via OKC): Drake Powell (North Carolina)
31. Minnesota Timberwolves (via UTA): Yaxel Lendeborg (UAB)
32. Boston Celtics (via WAS): Walter Clayton Jr. (Florida)
33. Charlotte Hornets: Hansen Yang (INTL)
34. Charlotte Hornets (via NOP): Bogoljub Markovic (INTL)
35. Philadelphia 76ers: Alex Toohey (INTL)
36. Brooklyn Nets: Michael Ruzic (INTL)
37. Detroit Pistons (via TOR): Adou Thiero (Arkansas)
38. San Antonio Spurs: Isaiah Evans (Duke)
39. Toronto Raptors (via POR): Johni Broome (Auburn)
40. Washington Wizards (via PHX): Labaron Philon (Alabama)
41. Golden State Warriors (via MIA): Neoklis Avdalas (INTL)
42. Sacramento Kings (via CHI): Chaz Lanier (Tennessee)
43. Utah Jazz (via DAL): Tahaad Pettiford (Auburn)
44. OKC Thunder (via ATL): Miles Byrd (San Diego State)
45. Chicago Bulls (via SAC): Alex Condon (Florida)
46. Orlando Magic: Sergio De Larrea (INTL)
47. Milwaukee Bucks (via DET): Ryan Kalkbrenner (Creighton)
48. Memphis Grizzlies (via GSW): Jamir Watkins (Florida State)
49. Cleveland Cavaliers (via MIL): JT Toppin (Texas Tech)
50. New York Knicks (via MEM): Kam Jones (Marquette)
51. LA Clippers (via MIN): Hunter Sallis (Wake Forest)
52. Phoenix Suns (via DEN): Johann Grunloh (INTL)
53. Utah Jazz (via LAC): Yanic Konan Niederhauser (Penn State)
54. Indiana Pacers: Kobe Sanders (Nevada)
55. Los Angeles Lakers: Koby Brea (Kentucky)
---New York Knicks (FORFEITED)---
56. Memphis Grizzlies (via HOU): Mouhamed Faye (INTL)
57. Orlando Magic (via BOS): Rocco Zikarsky (INTL)
58. Cleveland Cavaliers: Otega Oweh (Kentucky)
59. Houston Rockets (via OKC): John Tonje (Wisconsin)

this is an example of why mock drafts are trash. Sergio De Larrea, JT Toppin and Isaiah Evans all pulled their names from the draft weeks ago. Whoever made this did no research and is throwing into the wind. At bare minimum you can have a mock draft with actual players in the draft

[John B]

this is an example of why mock drafts are trash. Sergio De Larrea, JT Toppin and Isaiah Evans all pulled their names from the draft weeks ago. Whoever made this did no research and is throwing into the wind. At bare minimum you can have a mock draft with actual players in the draft

And there you go. I actually have a day job, my bad.

[scottspurs]

And there you go. I actually have a day job, my bad.

haha it’s not your fault they’re lazy journalists out there

[Eaglenole2002]

Why does Maluach keep getting mocked tonight the Pelicans? Aren’t they happy with Missi at center?

[Biggems]

So what about this idea?

We draft Sorber at 14 for Brooklyn
Brooklyn drafts Raynaud for us at 19.
Brooklyn drafts Broome for us at 27.
We draft a player for Brooklyn at 38.
We also send a future 2nd round pick to the Nets.

We walk out of the draft with Harper, Raynaud, and Broome.

[John B]

So what about this idea?

We draft Sorber at 14 for Brooklyn
Brooklyn drafts Raynaud for us at 19.
Brooklyn drafts Broome for us at 27.
We draft a player for Brooklyn at 38.
We also send a future 2nd round pick to the Nets.

We walk out of the draft with Harper, Raynaud, and Broome.

Shouldn’t Brooklyn be sending us the picks? They just got 14 in place of 27 (huge jump). While I will argue that 27 thru 38 is not much difference because it’s deep on role players. I’d rather take Goldin if paying that much for Broome.

My best scenario Dylan, Sorber, Bryant. However they trade up or down.

[RC_Drunkford]

So what about this idea?

We draft Sorber at 14 for Brooklyn
Brooklyn drafts Raynaud for us at 19.
Brooklyn drafts Broome for us at 27.
We draft a player for Brooklyn at 38.
We also send a future 2nd round pick to the Nets.

We walk out of the draft with Harper, Raynaud, and Broome.

I'll keep Sorber 10 times out of 10 instead of trading him for Raynaud and Broome.

[John B]

Trade Vassell to Brooklyn for their 8th pick and some chips. And draft Dylan #2, Sorber #8 and Carter #14 and call it a day.