I think ot depends on who is after who. Did Toronto approach us about Devin or did we approach them about RJ? I have a hard time seeing us being the initiator in this situation and if the want Devin and approached us we should be able to acquire an asset.
As for the logjam issue, I think either of those guys could get minutes off the bench with either Castle playing 3 on D. I also think could make Sochan playable because of his shooting.
A lot of folks are jumping to the conclusion of Barrett coming here but look at the other teams listed as interested. All of Brian's recent trading buddies. Maybe we end up being part of a facilitator in a deal rather than a Devin for R.J. type of move.
Don’t understand the speculated interest in Barrett although he is twice the player Vassell is.
I don't like being lumped in with the FOs we keep fleecing. I like your idea of facilitating such a trade much more. Picking up another swap and a useful role player like in the Barnes trade would be awesome.
Astute observation. They could also be using us to drive up the price on the dumb dumbs
ATL: Barrett
TOR: Vassell
SAS: Risacher/Niang
Bring Risacher home
I wish Atlanta would do that...
There's a thread on RGM for the Spurs trading Castle for Risacher. I don't think the Spurs should do that, but it's far closer than this.
A number of trade ideas on here have assigned Vassell the value of a top-10 pick. It's bonkers that folks can think so highly of him but the Spurs can afford to trade him.
My main problem with Vassell is it always seems like he plays his best ball in meaningless games, when everyone is healthy and available he doesn’t bring much to the table. I still believe he is a big talent that could be a 3rd option for a contender I just don’t know if that’s ever going to happen for us.
I think he starts at SF next year in a make or break year for him,
Fox
Harper
Vassell
Sochan
Wemby
kinda think Castle is the 6th man
I was kinda being facetious. I actually liked Risacher in that turdy draft (even as I was head over heels for Castle).
I’m sure you can nonetheless appreciate that there may be other reasons why Vassell would have positive value and still be expendable— not least of which that we are about to draft his replacement. I said this elsewhere: I do think Dev has more value around the league than the average person on ST does. Maybe not the value of this trade, but i don’t see him as salary ballast either like most here seem to.
^ actually an interesting thought exercise: if you were to merge this and last year’s draft, does Zach Risacher go Top 10?
It’s an unfair question since we’re seen a year of the 24 class, but it would be a closer call than we think would be my guess. I think Castle still goes Top 5 though.
It's fascinating because Vassell's trade value is either overly inflated by his supporter fans, or massively undervalued by his haters. I'm one of his haters, but I still think he has some value.
Here is my guess if you blended the two classes and knew what you knew now about the players (which I think is what you're asking)
1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Castle
4. Sarr
5. Bailey
6. Edgecomb
7. Risacher
8. Tre Johnson
9. Sheppard
10. Knueppel
I saw a thread on Reddit where folks were claiming Harper would go 3rd in a redraft of all the classes since 2019, but I think it would go more like this (drafted players as prospects at the time, not what we know now). The big debate for me is where we think Paolo/Chet/Jabari go.
1. Wemby
2. Zion
3. Flagg
4. Cade
5. Paolo
6. Chet
7. Ja
8. Harper
9. Ant
10. Melo
11. Sarr
12. Scoot
13. Jabari
14. Amen
This feels about right to me... but of course memories can get hazy
Ant easily goes over Harper knowing what we know. I would trade pick 2 for Ant easily
Yeah, I'm ranking them not knowing what we know, but how they were viewed at the time... which is why I'm not so sure about Paolo/Chet. There was certainly a lot of talk about Jabari at #1 but I always considered Paolo and Chet to be the clear #1 and #2... but I might have been higher on them than consensus.
ahhh I gotcha. I was like dude lol Ant is way too low here lol
Yeah, Ant's gotta be #2 behind Wemby if it's a "what we know now" - right?
^ I like your list, Scott. I’d probably have it as a coin flip between ZR and Tre Johnson. And I don’t think Kon would have been a distant 9th either.
Yup. I only read your first list about “knowing what we know now” and glossed over the part you inserted the difference for list 2. I was like Zion at 2??
Another fun list:
Starting at the bottom of the first round of this draft and working up, how far up do you get before a team refuses to trade its FRP (plus matching salary ballast) for Devin?
I doubt it would be for Devin (if we are even interested). I'd assume it's either Barnes cause he's expiring or maybe even Keldon plus Branham or Wesley. Seems like Toronto just wants to get rid of that salary. That being said the whole deal doesn't make much sense to me, unless you get dude for pennies.
Yeah, right. If RJ Barett is doing that kind of , then I don't want him anywhere near the Spurs (even if it means getting off of Devin's remaining years of his contract, I'd rather keep Devin if that were the case). It looks like I am going to have to look this up as I see BatManu20 posted a tweet that the Spurs are showing interest in him (not sure if that Cris Davis guy has any real sources or where he heard it from).
As for Kuminga, I wasn't sure what he was looking for. I was vaguely remembering $150M+, but wasn't sure until I read BG_Spurs_Fan mention it in a post above. What a screwup it was turning that amount of money down. Why would he have turned that down? I wonder what he thought he was worth? Did he think the Warriors had no options and they'd have to sign him for a higher amount?
Why would Atlanta want Barrett over Risacher?
Who was this proposal by at RGM? Spurs fans (to balance out the roster) or Atlanta fans? I'd never trade Castle for Risacher.
A Dallas fan, actually. It was an AD-to-ATL trade where the Hawks got the Spurs to trade Castle for Risacher to get SA a wing and Dallas a guard.
I wouldn't make the deal, but I could definitely see it being a deal the Spurs could wind up regret not making at some point.
I'd do that deal
I don't hate it either. Not sure about the Barrett talk though. I really don't value him all that much.
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