Call your Ideal 2025 Off-Season

[Degoat]

Random thought… I know this is a rare occurrence but could teams view Vassell in a similar light as Dwhite? Don’t get me wrong DWhite was one of my fav players and we know how great he was but he really shined after he left the spurs… Could the same happen for Dev and teams will jump at the opportunity.

[scott]

Random thought… I know this is a rare occurrence but could teams view Vassell in a similar light as Dwhite? Don’t get me wrong DWhite was one of my fav players and we know how great he was but he really shined after he left the spurs… Could the same happen for Dev and teams will jump at the opportunity.

This is a good question and I think on one hand it's kind of what we're hoping on in order to get someone to want Devin, on the other hand it's going to be one of those deals where maybe it looks bad in hindsight because of what Devin becomes (assuming he experiences a DWhite-like surge on his new team).

I do think Devin needs a change of scenery because he isn't going to be used properly here, or he might feel "disrespected" if forced into his proper role (which is going to be 4th option in the starting lineup or 6th man). He might need that shock of being traded to push him into the mindset of dedicating to being a high end 3&D guy (which will rely on him committing to D again).

IMO.

[mo7888]

, Sochan and Castle might both get traded if enough people see this stupid ass video they made

True dat..

[KobesAchilles]

Who does Wemby benefit from learning more from? Giannis or Durant? With Giannis, he learns how to train his body. With Durant, he refines his game and masters it. Max out on longevity or max out skill?

In my ideal offseason Sochan is traded as part of the package for Giannis.

Also I believe he is better suited to learn from Giannis bc he is still in his prime and takes actual responsibility for his play. Also I believe Wemby needs help more with his mentality and body training more so than he does with his skillset. And I don’t think KD fits particularly well with Wemby. He brings zero defense, worse rebounding, less shots at the rim and he doesn’t really provide any less pressure offensively on Wemby. KD has hit that LeBron empty stat line in his career

[Russ]

Draft

• Pick #2 Dylan Harper
• Pick #14 Thomas Sorber
• Pick #38 - traded along with some unspecified number of our 2026 SRPs to move up and select Drake Powell

I agree with the First Round picks with the proviso that if Sorber's gone (or they don't like him for some crazy reason), then you can go to . . .

-- Carter Bryant

-- Asa Newell

-- Noa Essengue

All young upside guys with size and ability. Based upon their history, I don't see the Spurs taking a more complete older college player here.

• Pick #38 - traded along with some unspecified number of our 2026 SRPs to move up and select Drake Powell

Three First Round contracts seems excessive (especially for our/this team).

There may be "value" (I said it) at #38.

According to NBADraft.net (disfavored I realize) some of these guys may be within reach at 38:

-- Maxime Raynaud

-- Jase Richardson

-- Miles Byrd

-- Hugo Gonzalez

-- Danny Wolf

-- Ben Saraf

Not saying that all or any of those guys will be there, but you can sit back and take a shot if they are.

The Spurs have squandered their early Second Round picks lately.

Those picks have value, arguably more than late First Round picks for reasons we all know.

I hope they take advantage of that this time

[ginobilized]

Great Topic! Most of my hopes are in line with the OP.

Draft Harper at 2, Sorber at 14 I like the idea of trading 38 and some future 2nds to move up and grab either Powell or Fleming if they fall.

Trade Vassell for John Collins, yeah!

Free Agent additions: Steven Adams and, wait for it, Keon Ellis. Mamu on a 1 year is good unless he gets a better offer which he probably won't.

Tiago on the staff is another home run. I'd love to see another former NBA player join the coaching staff, preferably a backcourt player in his day. Not Jacques Vaughn. Maybe Stackhouse or Stoudamire.
Another small thing I'd like to see is Manu's role more clearly defined.
Branham is cut in October.

Fox/Harper/Wesley
Castle/Ellis/Powell?
Barnes/KJ/Champ
Collins/Sochan/Mamu/Fleming?
Wemby/Sorber/Adams

This would be the fastest backcourt in the league I'm thinking. Our rebounding would greatly improve if we added Adams, Sorber, Collins and Fleming. It's tough to pick between Powell and Fleming if they drop into the mid-20s. Good problem to have if that actualizes.

The burning questions here are:
what happened to the power of friendship? and where does Riley Minix fit in the future plans?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Draft Harper, Coward, Broom
Trade Vassel for John Collins
Sign Steven Adams with MLE
Sign FA shooter
Sochan returns with a league ave 3pt shot
Resign Mamu to vet min
Cut Branham

Fox, Harper, Wesley
Castle, Coward, FA
Sochan, KJ, Champ
Collins, Barnes, Mamu
Wemby, Adams, Broom

[CGD]

Draft: Harper (2); Sorber (19); Saraf (26)

Trades:
- Devin/14/38 for Cam/19/26
- Keldon/Maliki/Blake for Middleton

Free Agency: Lopez; Jerome

Fox/Harper
Cam/Jerome/Saraf
Castle/Middleton
Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/Lopez/Sorber

[scott]

Great Topic! Most of my hopes are in line with the OP.

Draft Harper at 2, Sorber at 14 I like the idea of trading 38 and some future 2nds to move up and grab either Powell or Fleming if they fall.

Trade Vassell for John Collins, yeah!

Free Agent additions: Steven Adams and, wait for it, Keon Ellis. Mamu on a 1 year is good unless he gets a better offer which he probably won't.

Tiago on the staff is another home run. I'd love to see another former NBA player join the coaching staff, preferably a backcourt player in his day. Not Jacques Vaughn. Maybe Stackhouse or Stoudamire.
Another small thing I'd like to see is Manu's role more clearly defined.
Branham is cut in October.

Fox/Harper/Wesley
Castle/Ellis/Powell?
Barnes/KJ/Champ
Collins/Sochan/Mamu/Fleming?
Wemby/Sorber/Adams

This would be the fastest backcourt in the league I'm thinking. Our rebounding would greatly improve if we added Adams, Sorber, Collins and Fleming. It's tough to pick between Powell and Fleming if they drop into the mid-20s. Good problem to have if that actualizes.

The burning questions here are:
what happened to the power of friendship? and where does Riley Minix fit in the future plans?

What's your proposal for getting Ellis?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

What's your proposal for getting Ellis?

Spurs can’t get Ellis unless it’s a sign and trade. He has a cheap team option and he’s likely to align with Sacramento so that they don’t pick up the option but they re-sign him long term for more money (Spurs may need to do the same with Champ next summer).

There’s no chance Sacramento decline his option and let him walk for nothing.

[scott]

Spurs can’t get Ellis unless it’s a sign and trade. He has a cheap team option and he’s likely to align with Sacramento so that they don’t pick up the option but they re-sign him long term for more money (Spurs may need to do the same with Champ next summer).

There’s no chance Sacramento decline his option and let him walk for nothing.

Yeah that's my point... Ellis is one of those guys in a unique contract cir stance that effectively makes him untouchable.

[scott]

Replace Seth Curry with Sam Merrill in my original proposal. He'd be a good spot rotation shooting specialist for us.

[jesterbobman]

The ideal starts with a 2 + 14 + canceling a swap for #1 trade as I think Flagg is that good...but I doubt that's available, so...

Draft Harper at 2,
Draft Essengue at 14
Draft Myles Byrd at 38

Steven Adams in FA. I'm a New Zealander, I think I'm legally obligated to raise this.
Mamu in FA as minimum.

Trade: Malaki and Champ to Boston for Sam Hauser - fringe cap move for Boston, trying to help get out of the 2nd Apron.
Trade Keldon, Blake, Utahs' 2026 2nd (should be #35 or so), 2 other 2nds to Utah for John Collins - Might work better with routing those picks somewhere else for a team devoid of picks, Utah gives up a bunch of

Fox / Harper / Castle (Primary ball handlers - Collectively covers PG and a lot of SG / SF minutes)
Vassell / Byrd (mix of on / off ball)
Barnes / Hauser (Off ball shooters)
Collins / Sochan / Mamu / Essengue (PF options)
Wemby / Adams (Long Bois)

I don't think there's a reasonable asset path to a likely le team, but I think that's a much more solids team that fits better, only needs the sacrifice of 1/2 of the excess 2nd round picks, and has a path to a 5% contender (like everything else, depends on Wemby).

[RC_Drunkford]

Sochan ain’t getting traded

if that's your indication for him not getting traded, then Vassell ain't getting traded either because all 3 of them are in Spain together.

[Dejounte]

if that's your indication for him not getting traded, then Vassell ain't getting traded either because all 3 of them are in Spain together.

But Vassell hasn’t made a dancing video so nope

[RC_Drunkford]

scott I'm pretty much aligned with your scenario, but I'd rather trade Keldon + Branham instead of Devin. Since Keldon is our worst defender (5th percentile) and 3rd worst 3-point shooter (after Wesley and Sochan) he's virtually useless.

As a back up center I'd prefer Adams or Kornet. I'd probably roll with Adams if we draft Sorber, just so Sorber can get more playing time.

[Dejounte]

How lucky is Wemby if he gets Paul and Durant in his early years? , Castle too. Must be huge for their development. I say throw everything at Phoenix to get Durant. His mentorship will be invaluable and cause exponential growth to our young core.

[mo7888]

Trade Devin + 14 + 38 to Brooklyn for Cam + 19 +26

Trade Keldon + Barnes + 19 to phoenix for KD

Draft Raynaud/ Kalkbrenner at 26 and Harper @ 2

Fox/CP3
Harper/Castle
Cam/Champagnie
KD/Sochan
Wemby/Kalkbrenner/ vet C

Probably resign Mamu and use the exceptions on maybe Portis/Royce O'Neale

[LeBowen]

I wouldn't call it ideal, but ideal realistic scenario.

Harper at #2
Best 3-D wing at #14, I got no idea who's that guy, hopefully Spurs scouting department does.
Best big available at #38, kind of irrelevant for this season.

Keldon for John Collins in a S&T deal. Collins opts out and takes a 80/4 deal from the Spurs.
Kornet for MLE.

Fox/Harper/Wesley
Castle/Vassell/Branham
Barnes/Champagnie/#14
Collins/Sochan
Wemby/Kornet/#38

Can easily add KD trade into the mix with the Vassell/Barnes/Wesley/#14 offer, but that would just be cruel to Barnes, he already got traded for KD once.
It could also be Barnes going to Utah and Keldon to Phoenix.
Or we can send Jeremy instead of Wesley and #14 to Phoenix.

Fox/Harper
Castle/cheap shooter
Champagnie/Jeremy
KD/Collins
Wemby/Kornet

[Baam]

Ok I know the usual suspects will go crazy but this is MY ideal scenario :

Trade #2 + Vassell + Sochan for #7 + Murphy + Herb Jones (I even add a protected future first if needed)

In one trade you purify the roster completely. Harper better be Harden on steroids for this trade not to be worth it. If he busts the Wemby era might be effed forever. Imo it's no brainer to trade the pick.

Draft Demin at 7 and Reynaud at 14

Fox CP3
Castle Demin
Jones Champagnie
Murphy Barnes
Wemby Reynaud

This team is awesome and can go blow for blow with OKC next season. Still would look to upgrade from Fox in a few years (Garland or someone else with a 3pt shot would be ideal).

[LeBowen]

The issue with some of you who post completely unrealistic ideas is that you always have to ruin it with unserious remarks.
I can understand posts that suggest Fox should get traded even though we all know Spurs would never do it.

But this right here:

If he busts the Wemby era might be effed forever.

Why?
Before the lottery we expected a #8 pick and everyone still thought we're in an amazing position asset wise.
Looking at the draft, there isn't much hope that #8 pick will be anything more than a solid starter.

Are you saying that we'd be ed if we stayed at #8 in the draft?

There are only two ways Spurs get ed forever:
1) Wemby suffers a career altering/ending injury.
2) Spurs make a big trade that deplets all of our assets and it doesn't work out.

As long as Wemby is healthy, we're guaranteed to be around 50 wins for the duration of his prime.
Nuggets and Bucks didn't get ed because of one or even two mistakes. They got ed because they kept making mistakes every single off-season and eventually ran out of assets/cap space.

Harper is as safe of a pick as it gets.
He might not become a star, but he's got great IQ and size for his position.
Worst case scenario we solved our 6th man situation for the foreseeable future.

[Baam]

Are you saying that we'd be ed if we stayed at #8 in the draft?

Exactly what I'm saying, mostly because they drafted players that don't fit modern bball like Sochan and who didn't develop as expected like Vassell. The team best players outside Wemby were Barnes and CP3 until recently, you think that's normal that tosb play better than your prized draft picks ?

Worst case scenario we solved our 6th man situation for the foreseeable future

You think Lonzo, Fultz or Ben Simmons are nice 6th men ? If he busts then it's an asset down the drain bar none.

[LeBowen]

Exactly what I'm saying

Then you're completely lost, idk what else to tell you.
We have Wemby who's guaranteed to be the best player in the league in no time, Castle who won't be a superstar but looks legit, great cap situation and a lot of picks.
Oh and we traded for this all-star point guard namde Fox if you missed it.

mostly because they drafted players that don't fit modern bball like Sochan and who didn't develop as expected like Vassell. The team best players outside Wemby were Barnes and CP3 until recently, you think that's normal that tosb play better than your prized draft picks ?

I actually think that veterans who have done it all being better than young players or busts is reasonable in franchise player's second season.
If our roster wasn't garbage, we wouldn't have drafted Wemby.

We have three guaranteed starters for the next season and a bunch of players who aren't that good, but aren't a detriment to our cap situation.
Regardless of who we trade for, even if it's Giannis, we're not winning next season.

While I'm one of the biggest Murphy fans on this board, he won't change that.
Harper is the player Wright has been trying to get for years now.
Primo was a reach because he hoped he could become the player Harper is.
We tried playing Jeremy at point guard of all people.
Castle is developed to be a point guard even though he's obviously not a natural for that role.

You think Lonzo, Fultz or Ben Simmons are nice 6th men ? If he busts then it's an asset down the drain bar none.

You can't talk about injuries after suggesting Spurs should trade for Herb who just missed most of the season.
Are you sure he'll still be a solid shooter after his shoulder injury?
You can't on players who all suffered serious injuries while suggesting Spurs trade for an injured player.

[Baam]

Of course I can place my bets however I want. It's MY ideal off-season.

[KobesAchilles]

I know I’m just whistling in the wind but at anyone who thinks KD is a good mentor. Who tf has he ever mentored? KD is the ultimate ME player. he’s even worse than KoMe Bryant. Dude plays zero defense, has zero leadership, doesn’t mentor others, kills coaches, but everyone thinks he’s good bc he puts up 26 empty points a game.

I want KD as far away from Wemby as possible. Imagine wanting a guy who runs away from adversity, takes zero responsibility for losses, and admits to having no intention of being a leader wanting to mentor our ing star player