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    Sam Vecenie made a mock draft a couple of weeks ago with Spurs taking Coward at #14. I know very little about him, so I can't judge, but Coward at #14 doesn't seem to be crazy for some good journalists following the draft.

    Another interesting thing about his mock draft was that he has Fears slipping to #16. If Fears is available at #14, Spurs could get a good offer for their pick.
    Coward should be a very good 3-and-D player. He has a versatile offensive game, elite athleticism and a huge wingspan, similar build like Herb Jones. My top options for 14 are Sorber, Bryant, Coward and Fleming. I'm good with either one of them.

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    My two favorite players both had serious injury Sobber and Coward - Coward had a serious shoulder which dealt with a torn labrum and some bone that needed to be shaved. Another NBA player who had a similar surgery was Ja Morant so that can give you an idea of outcome. As all outcomes it depends if they addressed injury quick enough and what surgeon did the surgery.

    One thing I believe is that even when fully healed the chances of it happening again are possible from mid to high depending on damage.
    The surgeon who operated on him also operated on Kobe and Ohtani. Probably above average.

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    I think this was a very fair assessment of Fleming's defense that shows his strengths (range, quickness, strength, hands) and weaknesses (processing speed, technique, footwork). However, I do question him saying that Fleming is a wing when he's really been a big and probably projects the same in the NBA

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    Here’s a question: where would you guys peg our chances of keeping vs. trading away pick 14? As exciting as it is to think of landing a Sorber/Bryant/Fleming type player, I can’t help but feel like it’s more likely that this pick gets moved.

    I’d say there’s a 60% chance we don’t end up keeping this pick. Whether it’s trading for a vet or future draft capital I just have a hunch we aren’t adding 2 lottery picks.

    Can’t wait for one of these guys to be there at 14, have us pick him, and then 30 seconds later hear that they’ve been traded away

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    I think this was a very fair assessment of Fleming's defense that shows his strengths (range, quickness, strength, hands) and weaknesses (processing speed, technique, footwork). However, I do question him saying that Fleming is a wing when he's really been a big and probably projects the same in the NBA
    He will mainly play 4, some backup 5, occasional 3.

    Look at the first play of the second video. He can cover a guard no probably, even though that guard is not suer fast.

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    Here’s a question: where would you guys peg our chances of keeping vs. trading away pick 14? As exciting as it is to think of landing a Sorber/Bryant/Fleming type player, I can’t help but feel like it’s more likely that this pick gets moved.

    I’d say there’s a 60% chance we don’t end up keeping this pick. Whether it’s trading for a vet or future draft capital I just have a hunch we aren’t adding 2 lottery picks.

    Can’t wait for one of these guys to be there at 14, have us pick him, and then 30 seconds later hear that they’ve been traded away
    That's what happened last year. It won't happen again this year.

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    I think Fleming could be lethal as a smallball 5 in the right match ups

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    Here’s a question: where would you guys peg our chances of keeping vs. trading away pick 14? As exciting as it is to think of landing a Sorber/Bryant/Fleming type player, I can’t help but feel like it’s more likely that this pick gets moved.

    I’d say there’s a 60% chance we don’t end up keeping this pick. Whether it’s trading for a vet or future draft capital I just have a hunch we aren’t adding 2 lottery picks.

    Can’t wait for one of these guys to be there at 14, have us pick him, and then 30 seconds later hear that they’ve been traded away
    I lean towards a 51% chance we trade away #14.

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    Here’s a question: where would you guys peg our chances of keeping vs. trading away pick 14? As exciting as it is to think of landing a Sorber/Bryant/Fleming type player, I can’t help but feel like it’s more likely that this pick gets moved.

    I’d say there’s a 60% chance we don’t end up keeping this pick. Whether it’s trading for a vet or future draft capital I just have a hunch we aren’t adding 2 lottery picks.

    Can’t wait for one of these guys to be there at 14, have us pick him, and then 30 seconds later hear that they’ve been traded away
    Pretty good chance, IMO. The players available aren't very exciting commensurate to that pick area. Like last year they'll probably have a price they'd be willing to trade out and see who might match it.

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    I don't see the spurs carrying 2 rookies unless its the #38 pick in the G-League. So a trade could be in order.

    Spurs trade the #14 pick to Utah for Kyle Filipowski and the # 43 pick. We get a skilled PF/C with NBA experience, Utah gets the #14 pick and a chance to keep rebuilding. Utah values Filipowski but the 14th pick is also quite valuable. Both teams get what they want/need. The only issue is that Ainge can be difficult to deal with and values his players/picks more than they are worth. This would be a win win trade and we would still have 2 second rounders to keep/trade or stash in the G-League. We may not need two lottery picks, but some NBA team does. Lets make a deal.

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    My guess is the plan is to keep the 14th (assumed Spurs have a guy they value here, still need to mind Ps & Qs), but if somebody makes an offer you can't refuse - what do you do? ...trick question.

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    I‘d be pissed if Sorber is available at 14 and we‘re trading the pick. I genuinely think he‘ll become a top 15 center in the league

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    I‘d be pissed if Sorber is available at 14 and we‘re trading the pick. I genuinely think he‘ll become a top 15 center in the league
    But Fleming!

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    He is high on both Sorber and Fleming.

    Sorber does have higher potential.

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    Here’s a question: where would you guys peg our chances of keeping vs. trading away pick 14? As exciting as it is to think of landing a Sorber/Bryant/Fleming type player, I can’t help but feel like it’s more likely that this pick gets moved.

    I’d say there’s a 60% chance we don’t end up keeping this pick. Whether it’s trading for a vet or future draft capital I just have a hunch we aren’t adding 2 lottery picks.

    Can’t wait for one of these guys to be there at 14, have us pick him, and then 30 seconds later hear that they’ve been traded away
    Trade away - 80%
    Keep - 20%

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    The spurs will approach 14 like they approached last year's draft I think - they will have a list of guys that are worth a lottery grade, and if all those guys have been drafted, they will look to trade down or out. I think that they may try to do 14 + 38 for a 20's pick + lottery protected future 1st that doesn't turn into 2nds or something similar. You have to think that this being the first year that we truly see a significant impact of NIL on draft entrees, that there's a buildup of prospects staying in school that will smooth out over the next several years.

    I also wonder how much the team takes into account relative strength of drafts years in advance. 2026 for example, is supposed to be an extremely strong draft while early returns show 2027 looks very weak - I'm glad that the Spurs pick that was traded in the Fox trade was in 2027 for this reason.

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    I don't see the spurs carrying 2 rookies unless its the #38 pick in the G-League. So a trade could be in order.

    Spurs trade the #14 pick to Utah for Kyle Filipowski and the # 43 pick. We get a skilled PF/C with NBA experience, Utah gets the #14 pick and a chance to keep rebuilding. Utah values Filipowski but the 14th pick is also quite valuable. Both teams get what they want/need. The only issue is that Ainge can be difficult to deal with and values his players/picks more than they are worth. This would be a win win trade and we would still have 2 second rounders to keep/trade or stash in the G-League. We may not need two lottery picks, but some NBA team does. Lets make a deal.
    Filipowski is Mormon groomed. He’s not going anywhere.

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    I think this was a very fair assessment of Fleming's defense that shows his strengths (range, quickness, strength, hands) and weaknesses (processing speed, technique, footwork). However, I do question him saying that Fleming is a wing when he's really been a big and probably projects the same in the NBA
    I think that’s ultimately the question teams will be mulling over before they draft him.
    This was Fleming’s shot chart from last season:



    OKC drafts after us at #15 too.

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    The spurs will approach 14 like they approached last year's draft I think - they will have a list of guys that are worth a lottery grade, and if all those guys have been drafted, they will look to trade down or out. I think that they may try to do 14 + 38 for a 20's pick + lottery protected future 1st that doesn't turn into 2nds or something similar. You have to think that this being the first year that we truly see a significant impact of NIL on draft entrees, that there's a buildup of prospects staying in school that will smooth out over the next several years.

    I also wonder how much the team takes into account relative strength of drafts years in advance. 2026 for example, is supposed to be an extremely strong draft while early returns show 2027 looks very weak - I'm glad that the Spurs pick that was traded in the Fox trade was in 2027 for this reason.
    What they usually do is have talks with multiple teams about #14, setting everything up in advance. If there isn’t a player they want, they call team 1 on their list. If the player team 1 wants is gone, you proceed to team 2, team 3, etc. Draft night pick trades are usually set up days or even weeks in advance.

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    I think that’s ultimately the question teams will be mulling over before they draft him.
    This was Fleming’s shot chart from last season:



    OKC drafts after us at #15 too.
    That shot chart is a thing of beauty. Daryl Morey fap material.

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    That's what happened last year. It won't happen again this year.
    I’d say theres a 90% chance it happens again

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    Yeah we aren’t really deep enough to turn away any talent. So while I can see them trading away the 14th pick I don’t really agree with it due to the fact that we need talent badly. But then again our player development has gone through the hole the past 5 years. I mean even White got better once he left us. I’m really worried I about Wemby. I don’t think we have this championship window everyone says we do until we act like a grown up organization.

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    I‘d be pissed if Sorber is available at 14 and we‘re trading the pick. I genuinely think he‘ll become a top 15 center in the league
    Sorber is a small center who cant shoot or jump.He is big as bassey.And we saw bassey get bulled by jokic and embid and
    so on.

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    Sorber is a small center who cant shoot or jump.He is big as bassey.And we saw bassey get bulled by jokic and embid and
    so on.
    He is as big as Myles Turner with the same wingspan as Myles Turner. Is Myles Turner small?

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