Durant is far from done. He's not in his prime anymore but he can score 30 to 40 a night quite easily. We would be able to keep #2 and Castle and this trade likely gets us in the playoffs. I'll take it. Giannis is going to cost an awful lot. If Durant tells Phoenix he wants Spurs than that also will help lower the cost for him.
If we can get Durant for #14, Vassell, Branham and some salary fillers plus 2nds I’d do it in a heartbeat. And I don’t even want or like Durant. I just want to get off Vassell and to an extent Branham.
Giannis is another matter. Too expensive. I think hed be a great addition but I’m not giving up Harper, let alone Harper and castle and a half dozen picks, for him
If we're getting KD for that offer, a third team needs to be involved because Suns don't need or want Vassell.
Unless they're blowing it up and trading Booker to the Rockets.
I think Timberwolves will go after KD if Randle picks up his option.
Randle, Divincenzo, Conley (or Dillingham) is good enough of an offer to keep Ishbia deluded that Suns are a playoff team.
Leader of the Gold Medal Winning Olympic Team Kevin Durant will lead this team to the promised land tbh
the new drob
it’s poetry
100% this. Defensively I don't know how you stop this two headed monster. Offensively, what does it matter if they have difficulty cracking 100 pts every night plus deplete all their assets.
If the Spurs add Durant, they’ll be a Spurs vs Thunder game on Christmas Day.
Think you're right, especially when coupled with Barnes in SL. I think that helps address the Fox/Castle shooting limitations.
That would be so sick.
Interesting note after playing for the Spotrac trade tool:
Because of the Sun's terrible financial situation (second apron etc) the Spurs CANT do the Keldon/Dev for KD swap at the draft (they can with HB instead of Keldon tho). They CAN do it after July 1 thanks in large part to the declining salaries of our guys. \
This could have implications for sending out the 14th pick since it loses some luster after it becomes an actual player.
This is fine. The majority of draft day trades are executed officially after July 1st. This wouldn't prevent the Spurs from making a selection for Phoenix at 14.
Count me in the camp of preferring the Keldon/Vassell/14 for Durant route vs. giving up a king’s ransom for Giannis (let’s say Keldon/Vassell/Harper and 2-3 additional 1sts).
In a vacuum I’d maybe go the other way but given the current construction of this team I just have major concerns as it relates to spacing. At some point you have to realize it’s 2025 and it’s a league based around shooting.
You do the draft night trade with whatever players work. If you don’t trade the pick rights on draft night, I believe you have to wait 30 days. Something like that happened with the Wiggins/Love trade.
He dosnt fit the timeline but We just need a player like Durant to give us a year or 2 before Wemby starts entering his prime and Castle and Harper given more development in their games
Yeah, the most you’re looking at is 3 years, the remaining one, plus a reasonable two year extension.
You can't trade a newly signed pick for 30 days. Players rights in general don't have a limit. So the Spurs could draft Harper and trade his rights two weeks later. But if they need to include his salary in a trade, they'd have to sign him, wait 30 days, then do the trade.
So we want our rookie coach to coach a guy who is known for getting his coaches fired?
Unlike Giannis, right?
Some posters here didn't want Mitch to be the head coach so that would be a plus for them too.
According to my math Keldon + Barnes wouldn’t be enough salary or would that trade still count the salary numbers from this season?
It is in fact what happened and it WAS the first in a series of events, planned or not. No buy in needed, reality of events. Maybe? Yeah maybe other options, I'd say its clear the Spurs valued this option highest because its the course they choose.
Spurs didn't have cap space w/#8. I'm not saying they knew all the dominos, likely didn't, a S&T isn't super predictable (although they know DeMar's agent well), but what they did know was their cap situation and they wanted to add vets and the offers on the table at after pick #7.
You probably know better than me, but all accounts I've heard is that the '24 draft was one of the weakest in 20 yrs. That everyone would be slotted down 4-6 picks in a typical draft. What exactly was the #8 pick, that would have the value of a #12-14 in mosts draft, worth? What better offers were actually on the table?
IMO unprotected 1st from one of the absolute worst franchises in sports, who was and is and will be in Apron , who traded away their '25-27 & 29' picks/control, after Ant's extension runs out was at least par value (is par that a C grade?), if not a good deal given the huge upside and the value of that #8 pick and its $6.3M cap hit.
To me context always matters and I'm always open to reevaluating offseason trade grades in regards to the overall offseason strategy, a strategy that generally will not be known to fans without hindsight. Spurs had full context, clearly didn't like the post-#7 guys available, valued capspace, valued vets, valued future pick over current, and actually knew the options available without maybes.
If KD plays like Giannis then I don’t care if he gets the coach fired. I’m of the Jimmy Johnson mindset. Different rules for different types of production. KD is no Giannis and he’s a bad player to play with. No ball movement with KD. No defense with KD. No rebounding with KD. Plenty of us watching him shoot midrange jumpers which is the worst shot in basketball. How exactly has KD done as a second option? No veteran leadership with KD. Miss the playoffs. Blame the FO, get a coach fired, and leave his team. That’s just as a second option buddy.
Why are you so strong on your anti-Giannis take and yet you hype of KD? When has KD since his Achilles tore proved that he is a good and winning player? Bc he won one round in the East 5 years ago? What does KD do that specifically helps teams win. And don’t say scoring bc his type of scoring is like Mitch Richmond scoring. Yeah he scores the ball but it doesn’t lead to anything. Seriously what are his good qualities as a number two guy? Bc I don’t see it
What do you mean one round?
He beat nephew-less Clippers two years ago!
I'm not sure how would we develop both Harper and Castle with KD on the roster.
Fox and Wemby will get their share of the ball, anyone expecting KD to just stand behind the arc and shoot 3pts is delusional. We might aswell trade for Markkanen if you want that player.
giannis in no way exacerbates spacing issues. he has as much gravity as anybody in the league other than maybe curry. you give him a runway and he is eurostepping around whatever player you have parked in the paint and dunking on their head. you get him the ball at the nail and the entire defense is collapsing on him. he is an absolute boon to spacing.
Re: spacing and the Giannis fit
It's worth noting that Giannis has proven that he's a selfish player who only does things his way.
Does everyone remember the expectations about the Lillard/Giannis pick and roll? Unstoppable rolls with a laser sharpshooter.
Never happened at volume. And reports came out explaining why: Giannis didn't want to do it that often because he wanted the ball in his hands to do Giannis things. Lillard could space out and try to draw attention, it's Giannis-time!
Added to his defense falling off, it's hard to see how him on a talent devoid roster without any picks left to trade or select to add talent would be a credible threat.
But the bigger issue is the broke ass Spurs Ownership. Durant disappears sooner and could maybe be convinced to take less. (Maybe). So he wouldn't necessarily overlap with new contracts for Castle or Harper. But Giannis would play a lot more years chewing up massive amounts of money.
The Bucks have spent nearly $200 million in luxury tax with Giannis after this season, while the Spurs franchise total history is under $18
The Bucks in active roster salary starting with 19-20 have spent over $960 million in salaries (compared to SA spending about 780+ in that same time)
The Bucks have used millions in cash considerations to straight up buy second round picks.
Added to the $70 million or so the Spurs will have received in tax payments starting in 19-20, and the non-zero millions on top from selling draft picks and renting out cap space...
Bucks would have outspent the Spurs by at least $450 million over 6 seasons .... Spurs can't compete with that. Nepo-Holts don't have hedge fund money to dip into, they have little nepo bank accounts.
Once he figures that out he won't want San Antonio
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