Pick #14 - Strategies

[onechance87]

He is as big as Myles Turner with the same wingspan as Myles Turner. Is Myles Turner small?

myles turner is a real big like 7 feet tall who can shoot and block shots.Myles can jump and would fit next to
wemby,castle, and harper perfectly.Sorber not really a lob threat or cant hit open 3s.His skillset wouldnt
fit next to wemby,castle or harper or even fox.

[RC_Drunkford]

myles turner is a real big like 7 feet tall who can shoot and block shots.Myles can jump and would fit next to
wemby,castle, and harper perfectly.Sorber not really a lob threat or cant hit open 3s.His skillset wouldnt
fit next to wemby,castle or harper or even fox.

Myles Turner:

Measured in at 6'11.5'' in shoes, with a 7'3.75'' wingspan, 9'1.5'' standing reach

Thomas Sorber: 6'9 ¼ barefoot, with a 7'6” wingspan and 9'1"standing reach


They are the same size. Turner might have more hops. but that's about it. Standing reach is exactly the same. If Sorber puts on some shoes he actually got Turner by an inch. Him not being a 3-point shooter at 19 doesn't bother me, he does everything else well. None of our PGs are known for throwing lobs. Sorber is a good screen setter and roll man which makes him an automatic fit with all 3 of them.

[Ice009]

How much height do shoes add on average?

[objective]

Turner measured 6-9.75 barefoot with a 9-4 standing reach as far as I can tell

Sorber reminds me a lot more of the other Pacer center; Tony Bradley

Exact same barefoot: 6-9.25
Weight 248.8 vs. Sorber's 262.8
Standing reach: 9-4.5 vs Sorber's 9-1
Wingspan. 7-5 vs Sorber's 7-6

Sorber also looks kind of slow and mechanical to me, and that was before the foot injury.

[objective]

How much height do shoes add on average?

Years ago when I did a semi thorough investigation, it seemed to me that the most 2 common gains were 1.25 and 1.5 inches, with small amounts of other people coming in at 1.0, then 1.75, then 2.0, 0.75, and tiny amounts other than those

in this case, Myles Turner is in the slightly uncommon camp by gaining 1.75

[Ariel]

What's the theoretical case for Demin to the Spurs after we draft Harper? That he fills out his body, develops as a shooter (here we go again...) and becomes a playmaking 4? Do we think he frame is capable of bulking up?

I'd have a natural interest in Demin in a case where we were still looking for a PG or even where we haven't drafted Harper, but he just starts to seem a little redundant?

The passing and vision is impressive on tape... I'm not trying to be a naysayer here... I'm genuinely curious at what the on-the-court theoretical case is here.

The case is, if he learns to shoot, he can be one of the top 3-5 players in this class easily. It's a big if, but a tempting one, especially if you're gunning for upside outside of the top 4/5, I'd expect him to be snagged before Spurs pick by a team desperate for top end talent, which would be almost anyone in the lottery really, Utah, Washington, New Orleans, Brooklyn, Toronto, Chicago... also teams further along that aim for upside like Houston or Portland could be in play. As for the Spurs his skillset is very redundant, we don't need any more shooting challenged on ball players, but if he shoots lights out in workouts (he was supposedly doing well) and you don't have better options available via trade and are underwhelmed by other targets, then you probably consider it. But I'd have to think the chance he gets there and Spurs don't have better options is slim.

[jjspur]

Whether we keep the 14th pick or trade it for picks/players, plain and simple we need a big - that means someone over 6'7" , and preferably someone who isn't afraid to get rebounds.

[CorrectCrusader]

Whether we keep the 14th pick or trade it for picks/players, plain and simple we need a big - that means someone over 6'7" , and preferably someone who isn't afraid to get rebounds.

Carter Bryant my beloved...

[Ditty]

I am falling in love with a Coward , but I think BW will choose Bryant if he is there at 14.

[CGD]

Checking an assumption here:
if these guys were available at 14, how would folks rank them:

- Bryant
- Fleming
- Essengue
- Cowherd

[Knoxxx]

myles turner is a real big like 7 feet tall who can shoot and block shots.Myles can jump and would fit next to
wemby,castle, and harper perfectly.Sorber not really a lob threat or cant hit open 3s.His skillset wouldnt
fit next to wemby,castle or harper or even fox.

Myles Turner is a center who plays 30 MPG and averages 6.5 REBs. That’s dog .

[dubross]

Bryant
Fleming
Cowherd
Essengue

[DPG21920]

My dream is to use 14 + something to move up enough to get Kon. I really want Kon badly (with Harper of course).

But if that cant happen and SA stays at 14 or somewhere around there I really want Noa Essengue

[RC_Drunkford]

why do people want another guy with no jumpshot?

[mo7888]

Checking an assumption here:
if these guys were available at 14, how would folks rank them:

- Bryant
- Fleming
- Essengue
- Cowherd

Bryant
Essengue
Fleming
Coward

[mo7888]

why do people want another guy with no jumpshot?

Did Fleming have a jumpshot last year? No, he didn't. Essengue is younger and his shot isn't broken. It's more about his ceiling compared to Fleming. That said, I've got them in the same tier, so either would be fine and you'd pick based on need/fit if both were on the board.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Look at Indiana and Thunders.

Our core is much better than theirs.

We will be ready to compete after adding a couple of veteran bigs.

Put down the pipe and walk away

[RC_Drunkford]

Bryant
Fleming
Cowherd
Essengue

Coward
Bryant
Fleming
Essengue

Did Fleming have a jumpshot last year? No, he didn't. Essengue is younger and his shot isn't broken. It's more about his ceiling compared to Fleming. That said, I've got them in the same tier, so either would be fine and you'd pick based on need/fit if both were on the board.

Fleming shot 32.4% from 3 last year on 105 attempts. I wouldn't call that not having a jumpshot. But of course Essengue is younger. Just wouldn't roll the dice on another non-shooter for this team.

[SpursFan86]

My dream is to use 14 + something to move up enough to get Kon. I really want Kon badly (with Harper of course).

But if that cant happen and SA stays at 14 or somewhere around there I really want Noa Essengue

I would love this too (Kon is top 5 talent in this draft IMO)…question is what would that look like? Let’s say he slips into that 8-10 range: how much are you willing to give up to grab him? 14 + Vassell? 14 + 38 + future FRP?

[DPG21920]

I would love this too (Kon is top 5 talent in this draft IMO)…question is what would that look like? Let’s say he slips into that 8-10 range: how much are you willing to give up to grab him? 14 + Vassell? 14 + 38 + future FRP?

Ya that’s about right - Vassell + 14 + 38 or 14 + a future first

[Mr. Body]

Dallas traded the 10 pick back to OKC at 12 by having the Thunder take on Davis Bertans, essentially a salary dump. Thunder took Cason Wallace at 10, Mavericks took Dereck Lively at 12.

That was a bit different of a CBA environment. Going from 14 to 8-10 would probably require some pick(s) in some way or a good player. Also would require Brooklyn, Toronto, Houston, Portland to value that package over who they can pick, of course. I think Toronto and Portland possibly budge, but not the others.

Moving a few picks to Portland at 11 seems feasible but I'm not sure what they would want.

[SpursFan86]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ing-Egor-Demin

Bulls apparently interested in drafting Denim. Doesn’t really make much sense to me considering they have Giddey, but would be nice for us since they’re one of the common names we’ve been thinking could take Sorber.

Reports are that they’re looking at wings/guards as opposed to a big man.

[Biggems]

How would you feel if the Spurs drafted Coward at 14?. Personally, I would not be upset. He is a legit 2way player. He would definitely be a huge plus with our perimeter defense and clog the passing lanes with that wingspan.

[scott]

How would you feel if the Spurs drafted Coward at 14?. Personally, I would not be upset. He is a legit 2way player. He would definitely be a huge plus with our perimeter defense and clog the passing lanes with that wingspan.

I really like Coward. Would not be upset at all. My favorite guys in this draft outside of the top are (no particular order): Sober, Fleming, Penda, Coward, Saraf, and Powell. I don't think Saraf makes sense if we draft Harper, and 14 is way too early for Powell... but I'd be happy with any of the others (though 14 would probably be a reach for Penda). I'd also be happy with Bryant though he's not in my list of "favorites"

[RC_Drunkford]

How would you feel if the Spurs drafted Coward at 14?. Personally, I would not be upset. He is a legit 2way player. He would definitely be a huge plus with our perimeter defense and clog the passing lanes with that wingspan.

I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. I think otherwise OKC will draft him at 15.