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No, they can just be traded for each other using regular matching rules. We've talked about this.what an insightful rebuttal
what an insightful rebuttal
Last edited by RC_Drunkford; 05-31-2025 at 07:15 AM.
No, they can just be traded for each other using regular matching rules. We've talked about this.what an insightful rebuttal
I mean, it's obviously not just as good.what an insightful rebuttal
No cap space is needed.
When teams over the cap, like the Spurs project to be, trade players on relatively small contracts (below $6.5 mil) during the offseason they can receive back a salary of 200% +250K - this is done for simplifying trades and of course it's only for teams under the aprons. This is why Malaki, making a little below 5 mil for O'Neale making 10.1 mil juuuust about works.
Last edited by BG_Spurs_Fan; 05-31-2025 at 07:39 AM.
It works by about $50k.
Branham at $4,962,033 can match $10,174,066. Royce makes $10,125,000
A team that is on the cusp, at least in the Eastern Conference, and needs a PG is Orlando. What could the Spurs realistically get from Orlando for Fox and maybe pick 14.
Stop trying to trade Fox. He's not going anywhere.
You make it part of the trade. If he doesn’t do an extend and trade for 2/$50M, you move on.
Last I checked I’m not the Spurs GM, I’m just asking a hypothetical.
Perfect. Doing so now.
maybe not in 26/27 and definitely not by a wide margin. But in 28/29 it would be a completely different story.
Not so much a trade idea... more like a no-trade idea... but...
I'm sure Utah has called up Brian Wright asking about #2.
I hope Brian responded by forcing Ainge and Zanik to continually up the ante and throw on an increasing number of assets, and then eventually just say "nah"
Basically... I hope Brian is using this opportunity to treat Danny Ainge the way Danny Ainge tries to treat everyone else.
Two trade ideas:
Spurs Get:
Kevin Durant
Suns Get:
Harrison Barnes*
Devin Vassell
Malaki Branham
14th pick
2029 first
*swapped out Keldon Johnson for Barnes because Barnes is a big expiring contract.
Trade 2:
Spurs Get:
Cam Johnson
26th or 27th pick
Nets Get:
Keldon Johnson
14th pick
I get that KD has more downside than Giannis but i'd be tempted to do this deal. Vassell and KJ are expendable, the 14th pick technically is too with the Spurs getting the second pick, Branham is basically just a nice expiring contract while the 2029 first is the only real sticking point. Even so the upside for the next three years would probably be worth it for a Fox, Castle, Champ/Harper, KD, Wemby starting lineup.
A much smaller deal would be to swap Keldon Johnson and 14 for Cam Johnson and 26 or 27. That might be underselling on Cam Johnson, though it would depend on how the Nets feel about Keldon who is four years younger and on a good contract for the next two years. I might even still do it for Keldon Johnson and 14 for Cam Johnson and the 36th pick.
If they're interested, the Spurs would get a sharp shooter would make this roster make a lot more sense. Fox, Castle, Vassell, Johnson, Wemby as the starting five. Harper, Champ, Barnes, Sochan, and a backup five (Brook Lopez?) would be the bench. Spurs suddenly would have more shooting.
Last edited by cd021; 06-01-2025 at 06:48 PM.
Im not trading Keldon + 14 for Cam and 26. Cam for Keldon is fair on its own IMO and Cam isn’t so much better that I’d drop 12 spots back IMO.
Cam + 19? Ok
Didn't you post a month or so ago that Zach Lowe was hearing KD would take a paycut on the extension to play on a contender? Or am I remembering wrong and it was someone else? I'm all for adding Durant if he's cheap asset wise (say #14, Vassell, Branham, and Wesley) and if he's willing to sign a two year $60 million extension to basically replace Vassell's contract in Years #2 and #3. With those two preconditions met I'd ing love KD here. If KD wants to be paid in full though I'd pass not only because of luxury tax concerns in Year #3 in the first year of Victor's supermax but also because I question if he'll be a max player in a year. I get he should ask for every penny he should get but this isn't a Kobe situation where the Lakers paid him full value because of how much he meant to the franchise even when he was nowhere close to a max player.
I mean Cam Johnson is literally one of the best high-volume shooters in the NBA and averaged nearly 19 points per game last season. I think it's hard to say that he isn't better than KJ, or at least more valuable. I think trading back 12 spots is a of a lot better than having to trade first for Cam Johnson.
He'd also fit the Spurs a lot better than KJ does.
Tank commander statlines are irrelevant, Keldon averaged 22ppg and took us to the promised Wemby lottery land.
Cam is a great shooter, but his peak on a good roster is 13ppg.
If the Spurs trade for KD, they'd need to offset his salary as much as possible to have full access to the MLE. Vassell, Barnes, and Branham gets the Spurs within $5 million if his salary. On Dunc'd On they mentioned his max extension is 2-years, $124 million ($62 million a season). If he were to take something like a 2-year extension for around $114 million ($57 million a season) that would be fine considering that they Spurs would already be paying Vassell and KJ $44.5 million in the first year of KD's extension. He'd only be $11 million more than them.
He'd be under contract for the next three seasons and would be a free agent again at 39, ending before Castle or Harper's extensions would kick in. Looking at KD's shooting numbers, it's shocking how good they were. He shot 53.1% on mid-rangers and 38% on 6.0 threes per game. I don't think he'd fall off a cliff in the next three years, he might just be that good of a scorer that he could still cook in his late 30s. The Spurs would have to pay Wemby, Fox, and KD, like $170 for a year before KD's deal expires. At that point, it would probably be time to trade Fox and move forward with Castle, Harper and Wemby.
You put Keldon on that BKY team and Keldon averages 19-22 points easy
I'd argue that he could be more efficient playing with better teammates than some bums. Him starting at the four, launching 7 threes a game shooting around 40% from deep is a valuable player to have, especially on a team with little spacing.
Doesn't change the fact that he isn't nearly the shooter that Cam Johnson is. KJ's lack of consistency as a shooter limits his ceiling. Cam Johnson starting at the four playing alongside two slashers and a 7'4 big man drawing all the attention is just a better fit.
To some degree for sure - it’s about value. I dont value Cam enough personally to move back 12 spots in this draft for that fit.
You overvalue Durant’s market severely
I think with how top heavy this draft is and how the bottom really falls out, I think most of the interesting prospects will be gone by 14. Essengue, and Carter probably will. Sorber, Coward, and Fleming might be. They'd be solid long-term pieces but i'd be open to making a move for Johnson considering just how awful the Spurs' spacing will be without making a major move. Having open driving lanes is key to unlocking Castle and Harper's full potential and making the most of Fox.
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