Spurs trade ideas

[exstatic]

An idea seen on Reddit. Certainly a reasonable price, but KAT is on a short list of Never Spurs for me... so I would hate this:

If you want a big man who can shoot, I’m betting Indy might be amenable to a S&T for Myles. He’s led the league in blocks twice, including a Wemby like 3.4 in 20-21.

[scott]

**NOT MY IDEA... SEEN ON REDDIT**

How would people feel about this *if it did not include the 2030 pick with DAL swap*?

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

**NOT MY IDEA... SEEN ON REDDIT**

How would people feel about this *if it did not include the 2030 pick with DAL swap*?

Tbh no

[exstatic]

**NOT MY IDEA... SEEN ON REDDIT**

How would people feel about this *if it did not include the 2030 pick with DAL swap*?

I’m out on Lauri with his current contract.

[CGD]

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How would people feel about this *if it did not include the 2030 pick with DAL swap*?

You might be the only one left on Lauri Markenen island.

[scott]

You might be the only one left on Lauri Markenen island.

I actually rowed off in a little dinghy as well

[DPG21920]

**NOT MY IDEA... SEEN ON REDDIT**

How would people feel about this *if it did not include the 2030 pick with DAL swap*?

Fair trade if you take out the Dallas swap. I wouldn’t do it, but I can see why it could happen.

[scott]

Fair trade if you take out the Dallas swap. I wouldn’t do it, but I can see why it could happen.

Agree 100%. It would make a lot of basketball sense. Would make a lot less financial sense. For that reason, I'm out... but Lauri (salary aside) is kind of like the prototypical 4 we are looking for, aren't we? It would be nice if he were a better defender/rim protector... but he's an elite shooer and a good rebounder.

But... I'm still out.

[CGD]

I actually rowed off in a little dinghy as well

haha, no shame. We all have out pets. I own the fact that I have an irrational love for DeAndre Hunter ever since we helped my Hoos win the national championship. Speaking of... Ty Jerome anyone?

[scott]

haha, no shame. We all have out pets. I own the fact that I have an irrational love for DeAndre Hunter ever since we helped my Hoos win the national championship. Speaking of... Ty Jerome anyone?

In a world where we weren't already adding Dylan Harper... I'd be all for Ty Jerome. Probably not many minutes for him in a Fox/Castle/Harper world though.

[Chinook]

**NOT MY IDEA... SEEN ON REDDIT**

How would people feel about this *if it did not include the 2030 pick with DAL swap*?

That trade's not possible and one of the reasons why it's unfortunate that Fanspo is as popular as it is. It lets teams trade swaps they own from other teams as if they're picks.

Maybe the Spurs and Jazz could agree to a swap of 14 and 21 and a "worst of" 2027 pick that they haven't already traded the Suns.

That LAC trade is interesting. Kris Dunn was a fantastic defender last year and would be going cheap enough to where the Spurs could try to get in on it.

[scott]

That trade's not possible and one of the reasons why it's unfortunate that Fanspo is as popular as it is. It lets teams trade swaps they own from other teams as if they're picks.

Maybe the Spurs and Jazz could agree to a swap of 14 and 21 and a "worst of" 2027 pick that they haven't already traded the Suns.

That LAC trade is interesting. Kris Dunn was a fantastic defender last year and would be going cheap enough to where the Spurs could try to get in on it.

To Fanspo's credit... none of these trades are run through the trade machine... these are just ideas that the poster just forced and typed into the comments.

But that is why I made the comment to consider with the DAL swap excluded (and when people do attach them to trades, I just assume they are trading the full pick with swaps attached unless they specify that they are trading a double swap)

[TeKu]

You might be the only one left on Lauri Markenen island.

I'm still there a bit. Don't think you can judge this last year for him at all given how hard the Jazz were tanking for Flagg. If he is anything close to his previous 2 years then the basketball fit is just perfect, even more so now that we have seen Castle's driving game. That trade price is such a crazy discount to what was being discussed this time last year. I'd probably do it even though it means likely losing Sochan and a financial to unwind in 2 years time (same situation if Giannis arrives).

[jjspur]

Don't know how or with whom, but I can see the spurs trading 2 of their 4 2026 second rounders and possibly the 38th pick in this years draft for something in this draft - possibly a pick in the mid to late 20's, or possibly a pick and a player as the 3rd team in a Durrant or Giannis trade. For the spurs, its always about the possibilities. Now is the time to do something with all those 2nds. Next year may be a bit late and hopefully the spurs won't get stuck with all those seconds and not be able to do much with them.

[RC_Drunkford]

[cd021]

Barnes defensive metrics are as bad as Keldon‘s. He‘s one of the 3 worst defenders on the roster. Cam Johnson would be 4th. They can absolutely be exploited and if you watch the playoffs that‘s exactly what teams have been doing in the postseason. It‘s like 3-point shooting defenders don’t exist cause people have a love affair with Cam Johnson who‘s a negative on defense.

There are two major points I disagree with. One being that Barnes played all 82 games for a team that was tanking towards the end. His metrics aren't going to be all that accurate when he's playing with a bunch of random lineups.


C. Paul, H. Barnes, J. Champagnie, V. Wembanyama, and S. Castle had a plus 12.6 net rating and had the highest offensive rating of any Spurs lineup that played 100+ minutes and at least 15 games. C. Paul, H. Barnes, D. Vassell, V. Wembanyama, and S. Castle had a terrific defensive rating and a plus 11.5 net rating, while C. Paul, H. Barnes, D. Vassell, J. Sochan, and V. Wembanyama had a terrific defensive rating of 100 and a plus 16.3 net rating.


The Spurs were actually really good defensive when Barnes was on the floor with Wembanyama and another good defender. Offensively, they were often at their best with Barnes at the four and Wembanyama at the five, often blowing the doors off teams.


Adding Cam Johnson and putting him in Barnes' starting role would probably yield even better results. Johnson is a more well-rounded offensive player and could feast on open threes and DHOs with Wembanyama.


It's also much harder to attack a 6-8 player than a small or average-sized guard. I.e., the Pacers hunted Brunson. They also hunted Towns, especially when he was in foul trouble. Barnes or Cam Johnson wouldn't be playing the five, so they would still have Wembanyama behind them and possibly Castle defending the primary ball handler.


Teams forcing a switch to take a contested shot over a 6-8 player isn't exactly great offense. Especially if the Spurs are able to keep Wembanyama healthy and play him 33+ minutes in the playoffs.


I'm not seeing how putting a sharpshooting four next to Wembanyama and two slashers and at least another good shooter would result in anything less than a great offensive lineup. Defensively, putting Barnes or Cam Johnson next to Wemby and another good defender would probably still result in a lineup more than capable of getting stops. The numbers seem to back that up.

There‘s plenty of players who can do both.

I really don't think there are plenty of sharpshooting fours who can also defend. Also, how much would that cost the Spurs if they are available? Even Barnes being mostly just a good shooter at the four still had a big impact. Even those players are still relatively rare. Especially a player such as Johnson who is a well-above average high-volume three-point shooter at 6-8.

[RC_Drunkford]

I really don't think there are plenty of sharpshooting fours who can also defend. Also, how much would that cost the Spurs if they are available? Even Barnes being mostly just a good shooter at the four still had a big impact. Even those players are still relatively rare. Especially a player such as Johnson who is a well-above average high-volume three-point shooter at 6-8.

Except Barnes was also a bad defender when he played for the Kings.

here are 2:

Jake LaRavia - cost: nothing, he's a free agent - contract: 10-12 million per year - age: 23

PJ Washington: cost: less than Cam Johnson - age: 26

you can also add KD to the list. Costs a little more, but is miles better than Cam.

[cd021]

It's a pretty easy decision for me then. I just wouldn't do either deal at those prices and yell phoenix and Brooklyn to go find better deals if they think they are out there. In regard to KD, it just comes down to where he wants to be. If he wants to be here then nobody is trumping that offer for what would be a disgruntled Star. In the case of Brooklyn they've just got to decide if they want to overvalue Cam again like they did at the deadline. He's not a must have anyways. He's a nice fit, but it's not something that we can't get elsewhere.

KD not taking a 55% pay cut shouldn't be a deterrent to a deal IMO. He could still take a sizeable pay cut from his max number, and the Spurs could offset about $44 million of that extension by including both Vassell and Johnson in a deal.


If the Spurs could get Fox to do the same by shaving off a few million a year on an extension, then they'd be cooking. They could go with Fox, Harper, Castle, KD, and Wembanyama. Spurs would be a tax team for one season before Durant's contract ends but would probably draw some ring chasers to help fill out the roster.


With any luck, Fox would still have value and could trade him after those three seasons and continue on with a seasoned Castle, Harper, and Wembanyama. Getting three legit shots at a championship before Wemby turns 25 would be tempting.


As for the Cam Johnson trade. The Spurs could get some cheap shooters, potentially but i'm not sure they actually will. I could see them getting a backup center in free agency but not much else. They may be fine running it back with Harper swapped in for Paul and a non-tire fire option behind Wembanyama.

Cam Johnson for Keldon Johnson would make the rotation make a lot more since but that's just me.

[LeBowen]

I actually rowed off in a little dinghy as well

I'd actually still take Markkanen if he was that cheap.
Devin, Keldon, Barnes, Jeremy being available in that trade and obviously the #14 pick. I wouldn't trade any of the picks with swaps attached.

His contract is an overpay, but we'd be fine for two seasons, probably even three before Castle's extension kicks in.
I doubt Markkanen will fall off enough to be a negative contract, we should always be able to move him.

[cd021]

Except Barnes was also a bad defender when he played for the Kings.

here are 2:

Jake LaRavia - cost: nothing, he's a free agent - contract: 10-12 million per year - age: 23

PJ Washington: cost: less than Cam Johnson - age: 26

you can also add KD to the list. Costs a little more, but is miles better than Cam.

Does Barnes being bad defensively on the Kings matter when many of the Spurs' most played lineups featured him and were great defensively and terrific offensively?

Both LaRavia and Washington are capable shooters and cheaper, but Johnson is taller and still a better offensive player than both.

I mentioned above that KD would be my first open given his outrageous shooting numbers and defense. I mentioned how much those players could cost and KD would probably cost at least KJ, Vassell, Branham, the 14th pick, and possibly another. I'd drive all three to the airport if it meant getting him.

[tbdog]

Why did Markkanen have such a poor shooting season?

[RC_Drunkford]

I take John Collins over Markkanen. Averaged better numbers and costs 20 million less per year

[RC_Drunkford]

Does Barnes being bad defensively on the Kings matter when many of the Spurs' most played lineups featured him and were great defensively and terrific offensively?

Both LaRavia and Washington are capable shooters and cheaper, but Johnson is taller and still a better offensive player than both.

I mentioned above that KD would be my first open given his outrageous shooting numbers and defense. I mentioned how much those players could cost and KD would probably cost at least KJ, Vassell, Branham, the 14th pick, and possibly another. I'd drive all three to the airport if it meant getting him.

just say you're in love with Cam Johnson instead of bringing some ridiculous arguments

Cam Johnson - height with shoes: 6'8.5'' - wingspan 6'10'' - standing reach - 8'7''

Jake LaRavia - height with shoes: 6'8'' - wingspan 6'9.5'' - standing reach - 8'8''

PJ Washington - height with shoes: 6'8'' - wingspan 7'2.5'' - standing reach - 8'11''

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