maybe you should learn how to read. I know it's not your strong suit. Nobody said we'll trade #2 for Okongwu. We could trade Devin for Okongwu and give ATL 27 back or the 26 swap or none of it and send them other teams picks instead (which would be my favorite option).
He's 6'8'' on bballref. He's 6'10'' on nba.com, RealGM, ESPN and Foxsports. He's 6'9'' on hoopshype. You go research how tall he really is if you don't have nothing better to do. I certainly don't give a if he's 6'8'' or 6'10'' as long as I know that he can protect the rim.
that would be even crazier. Question is, if it's legit. Jalen Johnson is basically off limits for ATL.
They are now talking about trading for Giannis and trying to hire his agent, but lack the assets to make that deal if you ask me.
only a Jazz fan would think that's a good trade
Add getting Giannis for Sochan straight up if you think that's realistic...
It could be something like:
2026: Swap canceled unless Hawks' pick is in the top4 then Spurs can swap the pick.
2027: Hawks pick back to them. If it's top4 than Spurs keep the pick and trade a future first round pick to Atlanta.
The post I quoted looked like one giant trade that did include #2, and Okongwu. If that’s not the case, then I’ll pick out the Nets portion and say THAT is .
Agreed. Although a forward tandem of Barnes and Johnson would be weak defensively and rebounding wise and Johnson in both appearance and personality is a central casting Spur, what incentive would the Nets, said to be initially seeking 2 1sts for him and already in possession of 19, 26 and 27 to get into the 14 range if they so choose, have to make this trade?
And if Johnson comes in, but 2 or Vassell don't go out, how would the rotation work?
Who? None of those things were difficult to predict.
The only way I could see this, is if they're not overly high on Harper or think there isn't a massive gap between him and insert trade down target or Harper/his representation send signals that he prefers to have his "own" team.
I don't see them doing something like this just based off fit + replenishing draft capital from the Fox trade.
By the way, Okongwu is about 6'8'' barefoot, so roughly 6'9'' in shoes. Barring a drastic overpay, can't see the Hawks moving him. They probably think they're not that far off of a puncher's chance at a Pacers like run with the East being in flux.
The name that catches my eye on that list is Jaquez Jr... he seems to have fallen out of favor in Miami, and has 2 years left on his rookie contract. If the Spurs can grab him for added depth without giving up too much, i think it'd be a nice move. He's one of those versatile high IQ guys that's nice to have around.
Alright, thanks, Bruno, that is pretty clear. That also sounds good to me. I don't think Atlanta would do it, though.
Giving $55 million to a 27 year old point guard who's made an all-star team would be the safer choice, though KD might be more worth it considering that he is still elite on both sides of the ball. Fox doesn't have the injury history and is nine years younger so its probably a toss up.
I would do that in a second. Jalen has done nothing but improve every year he's been in the NBA, and even if he stays at last year's level he'd be an incredible complement to Wemby. If he gets even better (he's only 23) he would be a legit star. His averages last year were 18.9pts, 10 reb, 5 assists, 1.6 steals, & 1 block per game. The points might go down, but those rebound/assist/stocks numbers are too nice to ignore. My first impulse was to think there's NO WAY Atlanta considers this, but then I remembered they're Atlanta, and actually think they could win a le some day with Trae Young as their star.
I'm not sure CJ is worth two firsts. My idea was CJ and 26 or 27 for KJ and the 14th pick. Spurs would essentially be trading back 12 or 13 spots, still getting a first, and swapping out a ill-fitting player for a better option. Rebounding would be a concern, but I'm not as worried about defense.
I mentioned earlier that many of the Spurs' lineups that featured Barnes were actually very good defensively and terrific offensively. Pretty much every lineup that he played in that logged more than 100 minutes together was at least +11 in net rating. Obviously, that's the Wembanyama effect defensively and many of those lineups had at least one other good defender playing alongside him and Barnes.
I think putting Cam Johnson in the Barnes role next season could produce even better results since he's a better offensive player. I would be concerned that the Spurs would just roll with a Barnes and Sochan backup four and five rotation but that would probably be the move with them still signing a depth piece at the five or at least drafting one. I think Harper probably plays backup to both Fox and Castle, Champagnie backs up Vassell, Barnes, backs up Cam Johnson and Sochan at the five.
I tell them to go their mothers some more and keep their grab bag of crap.
I'd like to see these numbers calculated with all the shot that weren't taken because of their defender counted as misses.
You coming around to my view that it would be really hard to get good value for Harper in a trade short of landing Giannis? Also Holt's niece would probably be rubbing one out in the corner to those Harper videos.
Honestly, it would depend on the picks. If it's Cam Johnson, 8, 19, and two future firsts then its a discussion.
I'm not sure about Cam Johnson and KD though. I wanted either, not both but I assume that Barnes, Vassell, and Keldon would all be moved in that 4-way deal as well as at least a couple of those aforementioned picks.
Just stop.
This would make me highly su ious given how much they have pumped up Jalen Johnson as the guy they want to build around. Not terrible on paper though.
I don't think moving the number 2 pick should be completely off the table but only if it sets the Spurs up in the long run. 8, 19, and two distant firsts and maybe even a pick swap while we're at it. That would probably warrant a serious discussion, and would ultimately come down to how sure the Spurs are in Harper.
Trade idea of the day (based on Giannis to TOR rumors)
TOR: Giannis; Keldon
MIL: Scottie Barnes; Vassell + Picks via TOR
SAS: Jakob; Barrett
Last edited by CGD; 06-03-2025 at 06:29 PM.
Actually I think it would be really easy to get good value. I bet teams would line up some really attractive offers. I just prefer having Harper.
But I definitely don't want the guys who drafted Joshua Primo at 12 to start getting cute with ideas on who they think is really the best player at #2.
I like this. Saves us two years of Vassell's deal and IMO RJ would be a better fit as bench scorer than Vassell or he could be our starting SF. Jakob would obviously be a fantastic backup starting C, and Keldon is superfluous at this point. Jak probably opts into his player option in 26-27.
I think it would be really hard. With Bailey so underwhelming there isn't a trade down scenario I like at all.
Wright looks like an idiot for having traded Zach last year right now.
What? He was supposed to hold onto him for the off chance there might be an article/tweet saying the Suns want a Center.
i know ST isnt a big fan due to his salary, but if Denver wants to trade MPJ into more digestible contracts, i wonder if it could be done for Keldon + Barnes + some seconds.
Barnes gives them at least a serviceable replacement for what MPJ does while on an expiring deal, and Keldon is a reasonable salary player who they can also later trade for cap savings.there wouldnt be too much of a market for MPJ given his salary, and his contract expires before Wemby's extension would kick in
at this point MPJ is still a high end release valve offensively. he's not a defender, but its not like Barnes was doing much on that end either. and MPJ is a good rebounder at the 3, having averaged 7 per game last 2 years (barnes averaged 4 last year for us).
denver has absolutely no second round picks. every second rounder thru the 2031 draft have been traded away. they have also dealt away their 2027 and 2029 firsts. i think a handful of SRPs could be enticing to them more than other teams
Last edited by spurraider21; 06-03-2025 at 08:08 PM.
This doesn't make sense; there isn't enough value coming back. Even on an expiring contract, Collins is, at best, neutral value.
If we trade with the Jazz, it should be something like Markkanen and the 5th pick for the 2nd pick, or the 2nd pick for Kessler, picks 5 and 21, plus a valuable future unprotected first-round pick. Perhaps the Spurs would need to send back a favorable future swap or something similar. There's a significant gap in talent between picks 2 and 5 in this draft.
The most likely outcome is that the Spurs keep the pick and instead pursue a player like Naz Reid via a sign-and-trade, then use their exception money to fill remaining roster holes.
Harper is a very good prospect; the Spurs won't move off of him unless they receive a significant return.
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