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woulda shoulda but wasnt an all nba player nor did he even have a winning season with a healthy booker and beal as his team mates. aint nobody voting for this guy anymore. expect those numbers to decline btw
Spurs can absorb 11 million into capspace. They have to send out at least 43 million.
so any combination of Vassell + Keldon or Barnes
or Keldon, Barnes, Branham, Wesley
or Keldon, Barnes, Sochan
Keeping Vassell around would give us some cap problems to fill out the roster, so option 1 is most likely.
woulda shoulda but wasnt an all nba player nor did he even have a winning season with a healthy booker and beal as his team mates. aint nobody voting for this guy anymore. expect those numbers to decline btw
for vassell sure get rid of him but not this yrs lotto pick especially when they dont have any longterm starter who can fill a position of need in the lineup
This is why I always included HB in deals over KJ. Better player on a shorter deal so of course other teams prefer him over Keldon. Never had an axe to grind with HB. He’s the better asset
Well, Spurs roster changes significantly when they need to pay Wemby the supermax. It will definitely impact their ability to keep both Castle and Harper if they become all stars.
Suns need Barnes's salary because they are way over the cap and they need expiring contracts.
my guy he wasnt eligible. and he was all nba 2nd team with the same productivity a year ago
its also very dumb and simplistic to equate not making the all-nba team with not being all-nba caliber. which is akin to saying Jokic didnt just have an mvp caliber season
He would 100% been selected had he hit the 65 game threshold.
When are people going to come to terms with the fact that most teams have about a 2-3 year window to compete for a ring. Wemby may never get to compete later in his career because of the massive contract he will have. People need to realize this. Let's say you hit on #14 and it's another star player. He's going to want star money. You're already loaded with Supermax Wemby, Castle, Harper, Fox.. Teams can't win with the supermax. Wemby is getting it sooner rather than later. If you can get a certified guaranteed star or fringe superstar, you do it. You can't keep fringe stars with a supermax player. Once you have those top 3, its just filling out role players. This board is obsessed with finding a star at all 5 positions and on the bench. It's hilariously impractical.
If they have a chance to win a ring within 3 years, you take it while Wemby is on his rookie contract. Spurs may never have that opportunity to stack talent financially as long as Wemby is on the team again. Teams are trading their stars away at a record pace because the new aprons gut them. They pay way more than they want to for fielding a compe ive team. It was designed so a dynasty doesn't exist. Get used to it. Owners aren't in the business of losing money... Stars will continue to move. You just can't afford to keep more than a couple. The last four teams in the playoffs haven't paid their stars yet or they took a team friendly contract and even then, each of them will have to gut something next year.
It is what it is.
Go for the ring.
Phoenix would prefer him over Keldon simply because he’s an ending contract. They don’t care about which player is best, they just need to shed salary.
Duncan and Hollinger Podcast that just dropped ("Trade Candidates of the 2025 Offseason") poses an interesting strategy... maybe the Spurs look at the next decade and decides to pair Wemby/Castle/Harper with 3 different mid-30s star vets who are at the tail end of the career and theoretically we can acquire for a discount. KD would be the first, then when that is up we flip Fox for the next guy, and then there is someone else after that.
Interesting team building philosophy that I'm into. With Wemby, Castle and Harper on rookie deals we can afford to double up with KD and Fox now, but as those guys mature we'll need to move more towards having just one of them on a non-max contract... but definitely doable.
Realistically, how expensive can Durant be? I imagine it can't be much. I would offer Vassel, Keldon, a first rounder and that's it. Teams would be crazy to offer much more than that for a 37 year old on a 50 million per year contract, tbh.
Another thing to consider is that we really need to be good this upcoming season for the swap with the Hawks to have any value. I'd say, just go for it.
I would prefer not to give up #14 and part with Keldon instead of Barnes, though.
It's a great mystery. No one on this board has ever thought about it before.
actually its very simplistic your either all nba or your not he aint on that level no more period and its on the way down from here. dont compare him to jokic tbh its not even close.
this is why I still fear that we might trade #2. Especially cause reports are now saying the Nets are shopping Cam Johnson and #19 to acquire another top 10 pick.
I‘m team draft Harper and figure it out later, but Brian Wright might think different.
100% disagree.. he's nicknamed durbeta for a reason
i didnt compare him to jokic
you need to read a little more carefully dude
sure you didnt
do you think wembanyama is a DPOY caliber player?sure you didnt
deflecting now i see
I dont want to give up pick 14, but understand if we do. Vassell + Branham + Barnes for KD makes most sense to me and that’s where I draw the line (maybe a pick 38 as well). Spurs would be paying KD the same money those 3 make essentially and that’s fine and it’s no long term commitments now (KD expiring).
Still not sure it makes a ton of sense, but I prefer getting KD for something like that than getting Giannis for Pick 2 + pick 14 + another 2 firsts + Dev + Sochan + Barnes
You can get Durant, extend him two years, and he’s still off your books before Castle’s extension, which is a year before Harper’s extension. You extend Fox, and the work with Klutch to find him a landing spot before Harper’s extension kicks in.
im making a very straightforward point. you recognize it and therefore are now refusing to answer the question
my argument is that Durant is an all-nba caliber player. you said no he isnt because he didnt make the all-nba team. to point out how silly that is, im showing you think its not as simple as "did he actually win said award or not" to support a claim that he is that caliber a player.
therefore im drawing an analogy to other awards. is wembanyama not a DPOY caliber player just because he didnt win the DPOY this year? did jokic not have an mvp caliber season this season because Shai won the award?
note that this is not a comparison of durant to jokic or durant to wemby. it is merely exploring the logic of your position
At minimum I think the spurs are giving up Vassell and the 14th for KD. then you add either Barnes or
KJ to that and maybe a couple of 2nd rd picks since we have a bunch.
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