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    Is Demin a bad defender? I guess I'm really asking is he sort of like Josh Giddey? I thought his shooting was bad so I didn't consider him at all. I definitely can see the Spurs showing interest. But for me, bad shooting AND defense would be a hard no.
    I would think the hope is he can hold up against modern 4s.

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    Will the Jazz be able to not draft the local kid at 5?
    There’s been pretty strong smoke and chatter for 2-3 weeks that the Jazz will select Fears at #5.

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    Egor Denim does seem like a spurs guy, he’s more than just a PG he’s 6’9! He one of those positionless type of players the spurs like to target. I think he may go before 14 tho
    He's listed as a guard. He's playing out of position if not at guard. He's most effective as an on ball player.
    With Harper Spurs will have enough on ball guards. Would rather have Fleming or McNeeley who fit in better at SF with the guards.

    Demin isn't in a higher tier than McNeeley of Fleming, all in the same tier of players so just draft the better fit when in the same tier.

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    He's listed as a guard. He's playing out of position if not at guard. He's most effective as an on ball player.
    With Harper Spurs will have enough on ball guards. Would rather have Fleming or McNeeley who fit in better at SF with the guards.

    Demin isn't in a higher tier than McNeeley of Fleming, all in the same tier of players so just draft the better fit when in the same tier.
    Demin wasn't ball dominant and is not most effective as on-ball. He did a ton of secondary creation. As for position, a lot of arguments come from how people define things and argue because they haven't agreed on the basics. For me, Demin has wing size. Period. That's it. He has guard skills but can play off-ball on the wing, and if the Spurs want to continue with a beautiful game type style, and I think they will, this is the type of player you'd want.

    McNeeley is pretty limited in range of skills but of course is a better shooter (or, not really, but projects to be). Fleming is strictly a play finisher and is not a beautiful game type guy.

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    He's listed as a guard. He's playing out of position if not at guard. He's most effective as an on ball player.
    With Harper Spurs will have enough on ball guards. Would rather have Fleming or McNeeley who fit in better at SF with the guards.

    Demin isn't in a higher tier than McNeeley of Fleming, all in the same tier of players so just draft the better fit when in the same tier.
    Demin wasn't ball dominant and is not most effective as on-ball. He did a ton of secondary creation. As for position, a lot of arguments come from how people define things and argue because they haven't agreed on the basics. For me, Demin has wing size. Period. That's it. He has guard skills but can play off-ball on the wing, and if the Spurs want to continue with a beautiful game type style, and I think they will, this is the type of player you'd want.

    McNeeley is pretty limited in range of skills but of course is a better shooter (or, not really, but projects to be). Fleming is strictly a play finisher and is not a beautiful game type guy.

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    He's listed as a guard. He's playing out of position if not at guard. He's most effective as an on ball player.
    With Harper Spurs will have enough on ball guards. Would rather have Fleming or McNeeley who fit in better at SF with the guards.

    Demin isn't in a higher tier than McNeeley of Fleming, all in the same tier of players so just draft the better fit when in the same tier.
    I agree with Rascal here. Demin is a point guard who can't shoot well from outside or the FT line, has a poor handle, very unathletic, can't get by players at the college level, and not a good defender. His strength seems to be his great passing. I acknowledge that. But we don't need an on ball player playing off ball. I mean, sure, he could pass the ball around, but would get ignored on offense. To me he is low floor high ceiling.

    I don't see how that is any better than Mamu. Mamu can shoot and move the ball around.

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    I don’t see why Egor Denim couldn’t be what Kyle Anderson was for us, maybe even better. Yes Slow Mo had some weight to him but who’s to say Egor doesnt add some muscle.

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    I agree with Rascal here. Demin is a point guard who can't shoot well from outside or the FT line, has a poor handle, very unathletic, can't get by players at the college level, and not a good defender. His strength seems to be his great passing. I acknowledge that. But we don't need an on ball player playing off ball. I mean, sure, he could pass the ball around, but would get ignored on offense. To me he is low floor high ceiling.

    I don't see how that is any better than Mamu. Mamu can shoot and move the ball around.
    He's straight up not a point guard. Stop listening to rascal, who never watches these players. He can play off-ball.

    Demin was known as a good shooter before this year and has been having good workouts, maybe he's returning to form. If he's available in the late lottery, that's a sort of swing you take. No matter, he'll be picked earlier.

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    I've got Demin #10 overall and in my 3rd tier, but he probably won't make it to #10

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    I've got Demin #10 overall and in my 3rd tier, but he probably won't make it to #10
    I think he goes 5-8, and if not falls

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    Denim could be the mystery “surprise” Wizards pick that is being rumored at 6

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    I had Demin on my radar 1.5 years ago. Was always high on him. He's not a guard, he's a point forward like Deni Avdija and I actually think he could become a better player than him. Has great size and his defense is good as far as I know. The only thing people are worried about is his scoring ability. If he adds a 3-point shot, that's gon open up everything on the offensive side for him. Since he's a high IQ player, I'm pretty confident that he could develop some moves on offense. That being said, I don't really see the Spurs picking him.

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    Demin as a Slomo or Boris type of guy hits me. The question is, if he can be a good defender as well. KA and Diaw have been quite nice on that end.

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    I like these players

    Harper
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    Raynaud

    I would have no issue trading some of our current players to acquire the rights to some of them. Of course, this excludes Wemby, Fox, Castle, and Sochan.

    I am also ok with trading away a few future assets, mostly 2nd round picks.
    first two are studs. last 4 on your list are total ass

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    Essengue is doing quite well in the German league play offs. In the 3 games in the semifinals series against Würzburg he averages 15.3PPG and 10.3 RPG, shot 4-10 from 3. his team now leads 2-1 and has a good shot at the finals.
    if he can keep this level, with a lot of NBA people in the attendance, he should rise up on some teams boards, I would‘t be surprised if he goes top ten.
    Same with Denim. Teams will see the theoretical potential and take a flyer, rather than use a top 10 pick on, say, CMB.

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    Essengue is doing quite well in the German league play offs. In the 3 games in the semifinals series against Würzburg he averages 15.3PPG and 10.3 RPG, shot 4-10 from 3. his team now leads 2-1 and has a good shot at the finals.
    if he can keep this level, with a lot of NBA people in the attendance, he should rise up on some teams boards, I would‘t be surprised if he goes top ten.
    Same with Denim. Teams will see the theoretical potential and take a flyer, rather than use a top 10 pick on, say, CMB.
    for comparison reasons:

    Essengue is averaging better numbers at 18 in the german league than washed up Serge Ibaka last year. And he has even better numbers in the playoffs. Should absolutely go top 10.

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    Worked out/met with Spurs Tracker


    LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
    Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
    RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
    Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
    John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
    Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
    Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
    Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
    Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
    Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
    Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
    Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
    Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
    (also worked out with Wemby)

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    people sleep on this kid


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    LJ Cryer, Guard - Houston
    Micah Peavy, Forward - Georgetown
    RJ Felton, Guard - East Carolina
    Jeremiah Fears, Guard - Oklahoma
    John Tonje, Guard - Wisconsin
    Sean Pedulla, Guard - Ole Miss
    Thomas Sorber, Big - Georgetown
    Cam Carter, Guard - LSU
    Javon Small, Guard - West Virginia
    Obinna Anochili-Killen, Forward - Marshall
    Zeke Mayo, Guard - Kansas
    Khaman Maluach, Big - Duke
    Maxime Raynaud, Big - Stanford
    (also worked out with Wemby)
    Interesting the Spurs haven’t met with any of the Top 5 guys yet (Fears and Maluach being the highest rated players they’ve met with thus far)

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    people sleep on this kid

    I keep coming back to the combine agility test, where it took him 5-6 times, because he kept kicking cones over, and they had to reset it each time. If you can’t keep your feet inside that box, how are you going to stay in front of skill players on switches? He maybe one of those guys with some positive attributes like Edey, but you can play him off the floor in any minutes that matter.

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