I think KD will be a Spur one day...

Originally Posted by SPURt

If the Spurs draft or sign undrafted Bronny this would happen

Undrafted Bronny? No way. He won’t make it to 20. Some team will take him just for the chance to get LBJ for a couple of years.

I dunno, is KD over himself?

For a 1 year rental...yay

Do not want.

Really saw this coming a year and a half ago if the trade does hold up. If you go back and look at any KD interview whenever he's asked about Wemby, his face lights up.

Why are some people so desperate?

Spurs are going to get there(and it's going to be soon - a couple of years) to build a championship team with a long window for success.
Don't trade #2 or #14 or any other future draft picks. Stay on the course they initially wanted to go on, build through the draft.

Originally Posted by rascal

Why are some people so desperate?

Spurs are going to get there(and it's going to be soon - a couple of years) to build a championship team with a long window for success.
Don't trade #2 or #14 or any other future draft picks. Stay on the course they initially wanted to go on, build through the draft.

I’ll bet KD never thought he’d wind up being Mini Me to some French dude.

Originally Posted by rascal

Why are some people so desperate?

Spurs are going to get there(and it's going to be soon - a couple of years) to build a championship team with a long window for success.
Don't trade #2 or #14 or any other future draft picks. Stay on the course they initially wanted to go on, build through the draft.

Have you seen our record over the past 6-7 years? And these are the players and path you want us to stay on? ������ Ok

Originally Posted by kxs783kms

Have you seen our record over the past 6-7 years? And these are the players and path you want us to stay on? ������ Ok

What do #2 and #14 picks have to do with the players currently on the roster?
Most of us want to get rid of Vassell, Keldon and even Sochan.
Trading away #2 would be idiotic.

Originally Posted by rascal

Why are some people so desperate?

Spurs are going to get there(and it's going to be soon - a couple of years) to build a championship team with a long window for success.
Don't trade #2 or #14 or any other future draft picks. Stay on the course they initially wanted to go on, build through the draft.

Well, I think some people are in the mindset that a guy with Wemby's body type isn't going to hold up for 10 years +. The time is now.

Originally Posted by Poolboy5623

Well, I think some people are in the mindset that a guy with Wemby's body type isn't going to hold up for 10 years +. The time is now.

Yup..Wemby missing over 20 games already in his second season should be a reality check for us spurs fans.We need to
move a alot faster.

Originally Posted by onechance87

Yup..Wemby missing over 20 games already in his second season should be a reality check for us spurs fans.We need to
move a alot faster.

Wemby will be fine guys. Don’t panic. Sure he’s an alien but he’s a healthy one. I’ve never seen someone so tall with such a healthy body and mind.

I’m really curious what lineup you prefer?

Fox/Harper/Castle/Durant/Wemby

or

Fox/Castle/Sochan/Durant/Wemby

or (after one more small trade)

Fox/Harper/Cam Johnson/Durant/Wemby

Would that last one provide insane spacing for Wemby?

Originally Posted by LeBowen

What do #2 and #14 picks have to do with the players currently on the roster?
Most of us want to get rid of Vassell, Keldon and even Sochan.
Trading away #2 would be idiotic.

Because you're bringing more young, inexperienced talent into a losing culture. No one on this roster knows anything about winning one NBA playoff game except CP3(*who may be gone*) and Barnes. You think it's a coincidence that our record got better when we brought vets in? We need vets with winning experience to show these young guys how to actually win. If you want to see different results, you have to do something different.

We’re just really not giving much up (at least in the packages being commonly discussed) to warrant concerns about us “blowing up our core” or sacrificing the future for the present.

Keldon and Barnes almost certainly aren’t part of the long term plans. I’m sure there are still people that believe in Vassell but it’s not like he’s a lock to be a key piece of this team for years. People are kidding themselves if they think #14 is some insanely valuable piece - there is a high likelihood whoever gets picked here ends up being just an average NBA player or worse. Obviously there are prospects that we all like here but we have to be realistic and understand that no one at 14 is a lock to be a high level NBA player.

We’re just simply not giving up much to get an all-star caliber and all-time great player in KD. If we start talking about packages that involve additional FRPs then that changes things…but it’s just hard for me to see how anyone could be that fearful of giving up something like Vassell/Barnes/14.

Originally Posted by kxs783kms

Because you're bringing more young, inexperienced talent into a losing culture. No one on this roster knows anything about winning one NBA playoff game except CP3(*who may be gone*) and Barnes. You think it's a coincidence that our record got better when we brought vets in? We need vets with winning experience to show these young guys how to actually win. If you want to see different results, you have to do something different.

We got better because we stopped trying to lose after two years of doing that.

Draft picks:

Keldon 29
Devin 10
Primo 11
Sochan 9

Good draft picks:
Wemby 1
Castle 4

The divide between these groups is bigger than the Grand Canyon. To say that we shouldn’t add another top player at 2 is ridiculous. Top 4 picks are what you build champions from, and we will have 3 of them.

I have no problem moving the 14 pick to get Durant. Getting off Vassell is probably a good way to get flexibility. I just don't think he's going to be healthy enough or make a leap into a prime starter. Maybe a change helps him. I don't like losing Barnes, but Durant is a massive upgrade.

None of the players at 14 seem that enticing. Sure, a swing at a Bryant or someone is fine, but I don't particularly believe in anyone there.

That's purely from a basketball standpoint. An extension for Durant could be concerning if it's very large.

Originally Posted by SpursFan86

We’re just really not giving much up (at least in the packages being commonly discussed) to warrant concerns about us “blowing up our core” or sacrificing the future for the present.

Keldon and Barnes almost certainly aren’t part of the long term plans. I’m sure there are still people that believe in Vassell but it’s not like he’s a lock to be a key piece of this team for years. People are kidding themselves if they think #14 is some insanely valuable piece - there is a high likelihood whoever gets picked here ends up being just an average NBA player or worse. Obviously there are prospects that we all like here but we have to be realistic and understand that no one at 14 is a lock to be a high level NBA player.

We’re just simply not giving up much to get an all-star caliber and all-time great player in KD. If we start talking about packages that involve additional FRPs then that changes things…but it’s just hard for me to see how anyone could be that fearful of giving up something like Vassell/Barnes/14.

actually from what I know the Spurs would like to keep Keldon, because he has accepted his role as a bench player. Besides him being the so called "heart and soul of the team". With that being said, he's not a dealbreaker. And neither Sochan nor Champagnie are safe. I think the roster turnover will be major. Only Wemby, Fox and Castle are untradeable,

Originally Posted by exstatic

We got better because we stopped trying to lose after two years of doing that.

Draft picks:

Keldon 29
Devin 10
Primo 11
Sochan 9

Good draft picks:
Wemby 1
Castle 4

The divide between these groups is bigger than the Grand Canyon. To say that we shouldn’t add another top player at 2 is ridiculous. Top 4 picks are what you build champions from, and we will have 3 of them.

I remember people on this forum saying Rob Dillingham was the next superstar and he could barely crack Minny's rotation. Sorry I'll rather take the player playing at an All-NBA level than an unproven freshman who fans deem the next superstar after 1 decent season at Rutgers. Crazy how we've already made Harper a superstar without touching an NBA court.

Originally Posted by RC_Drunkford

actually from what I know the Spurs would like to keep Keldon, because he has accepted his role as a bench player. Besides him being the so called "heart and soul of the team". With that being said, he's not a dealbreaker. And neither Sochan nor Champagnie are safe. I think the roster turnover will be major. Only Wemby, Fox and Castle are untradeable,

It’s not that I’m saying everyone is untradeable, just that in the packages that are being discussed it’s usually either Vassell/Keldon/14 or Vassell/Barnes/14. I think anyone being upset or worried about giving up either of those packages for KD is either vastly underrating KD or vastly overrating the value of our side of the trade. Like generally speaking, being upset about giving up a #14 pick + a couple of non-critical pieces for someone of KD’s caliber is a no-brainer.

Obviously if they end up giving up way more than what we’ve been talking about then it’s possible we overpay for KD. I just think that’s unlikely but we’ll see.

Originally Posted by SpursFan86

It’s not that I’m saying everyone is untradeable, just that in the packages that are being discussed it’s usually either Vassell/Keldon/14 or Vassell/Barnes/14. I think anyone being upset or worried about giving up either of those packages for KD is either vastly underrating KD or vastly overrating the value of our side of the trade.

Obviously if they end up giving up way more than what we’ve been talking about then it’s possible we overpay for KD. I just think that’s unlikely but we’ll see.

Salary concerns seem to be big on the PHX side. Barnes would be preferable over Keldon as he's an expiring. As it is, if PHX can get Durant for a package like Vassel + Barnes it seems they can get under the second apron. The question at that point is draft assets.

Originally Posted by rascal

Why are some people so desperate?

Spurs are going to get there(and it's going to be soon - a couple of years) to build a championship team with a long window for success.
Don't trade #2 or #14 or any other future draft picks. Stay on the course they initially wanted to go on, build through the draft.

Getting a loser like Vassell off the team is huge, especially since it opens up minutes for Harper and Castle. #14 and Vassell for KD is a no-brainer if Durant isn't going to require superstar money in Year 3.

Originally Posted by Mr. Body

The question at that point is draft assets.

A lot of fans underestimate the value of second rounders, especially for teams with cap issues.
Suns have '25 and '26 SRPs, none after that all the way until '32. That's 5 years without a single SRP.

Spurs can easily throw 5 SRPs at them without even flinching.

Originally Posted by LeBowen

A lot of fans underestimate the value of second rounders, especially for teams with cap issues.
Suns have '25 and '26 SRPs, none after that all the way until '32. That's 5 years without a single SRP.

Spurs can easily throw 5 SRPs at them without even flinching.

Probably do 14 and 38 and a few others. The question for PHX is placating their general fandom -- "We're giving up Durant for what??" -- but they're probably beyond that point now.

Originally Posted by exstatic

We got better because we stopped trying to lose after two years of doing that.

Draft picks:

Keldon 29
Devin 10
Primo 11
Sochan 9

Good draft picks:
Wemby 1
Castle 4

The divide between these groups is bigger than the Grand Canyon. To say that we shouldn’t add another top player at 2 is ridiculous. Top 4 picks are what you build champions from, and we will have 3 of them.

Never understood the Keldon hate on this board for being the 29th pick we have gotten a pretty good return on investment. Not Manu good but that was once in a lifetime. How much more do you expect from a player drafted #29 when players drafted #1 are often underwhelming?

Originally Posted by $pursDynasty

Never understood the Keldon hate on this board for being the 29th pick we have gotten a pretty good return on investment. Not Manu good but that was once in a lifetime. How much more do you expect from a player drafted #29 when players drafted #1 are often underwhelming?

He's a low IQ player on offense and a traffic cone on defense.
Still great value considering his draft position, but doesn't have much going for him if we're talking winning serious basketball games.