We are in win-now mode: 2/3 of our roster will be gone

[R. DeMurre]

The Spurs have consistently had one of the lowest annual turnover rates in the league, often around 20 to 30 percent. That reflects a commitment to continuity.

I hear you, but that reputation was earned over 20 years with Duncan as the foundation and a reasonable expectation of winning 50+ games every season. The Spurs now are a franchise that haven't surpassed 35 wins in the last 6 seasons, and have a superstar who there might be more questions about concerning longevity. I'd argue it'a completely different context, and that the Spurs' FO, being at least reasonably flexible and resilient, would recognize that.

[R. DeMurre]

^^^ Although I do agree that 2/3rds this year is an exaggeration. I'm just saying more than usual over the next 2 or 3.

[LeBowen]

Season Transition	Approx. Total Players	Returning Players	Return Rate
1999 → 2000	~12	~10	~83%
2000 → 2001	~14	~11–12	~79%–86%
2001 → 2002	15	~11–12	~73%–80%
2002 → 2003	~15	~10	~67%
2003 → 2004	~15	~9	~60%

Average across these 5 years ≈ 73.8%

The NBA average turnover rate year-to-year is typically 40% to 50%, meaning most teams retain only 8 to 9 players (or fewer) from the previous season.

Would be nice if you could do that for the entire contention era, but just for top8, maybe top10 players in the rotation.
Turnover for third stringers is irrelevant.

[itzsoweezee]

Winning now is the appropriate approach when you have talent the likes of wemby. Plodding along for years would be a waste of the unique cap situation San Antonio finds itself in

[Seventyniner]

imo counting turnover in terms of number of players isn't the right way to do it. Turning over the end of the bench doesn't affect much.

Total minutes played would be a much better barometer, though you'd have to take injuries into account somewhere. Midseason acquisitions too.

[RC_Drunkford]

The main reason why I‘m saying this, is because those contracts are needed for trades. A KD trade would be 2 players shipped out. Maybe 3 cause Sochan is rumored to be in it. Add 4 expiring in CP3, Biyombo, Bassey and Mamu and thats already 40% of the team. And I‘m sure we‘ll make another trade, which if you package 2 players again, makes it 8-9 players that are gone.

[John B]

It still depends on Wemby if he has fully recovered. The last two years, his body needed to get strong. Agree it’s a Win Now mode, but I wouldn’t gut out the roster for another max player like Durant if Suns asked too much. Spurs need solid players more than another max player. This draft is deep with solid role players. I actually like Spurs position right now. I was happy with picking #2 Harper (future All-Star) and for #14 any of Bryant, Fleming or Sorber. Agree Vassell has to go to free-up minutes for Harper’s development. Maybe getting a late 1st round pick for him and pickup Reynaud. Plus plenty of potential ring chasers. I like Spurs flexibility right now. If they trade for Durant, I hope they don’t overpay. This team is very young. I rather wait on Wemby, Castle and Harper and slowly weed out the Branhams and Basseys of the team thru drafts and free agency. Spurs are building for 10-15 years dominance not 3 years.

[baseline bum]

I don't think people understand what's going on here. I see folks saying "we should do what OKC did and keep our young core", no we don't. Our young core sucks. A bunch of non-shooting, no defense playing low IQ players. This ain't OKC. We don't have Chip Engelland on our staff.

Huh? OKC didn't keep their tank core. They churned the out of their roster and the only players remaining from their tank years are SGA and Dort. I agree the Spurs should follow that lead and churn the losers like Vassell, Keldon Johnson, Sochan, etc.

And yes we'll trade #14 and there's a good chance we'll trade down from #2 for further upgrades and future draft capital. Y'all can hate it all you want. The Spurs have clearly smelled championship blood watching these playoffs. They are trying to set this up to be a superteam that can go on a run and they will never have that much leverage again.

They're not a super team after adding 37YO Durant, don't be ridiculous.

are all up for grabs and the Spurs have all the leverage because at #2 there's a franchise PG to get. They won't let that opportunity slide to have another poorly constructed team with spacing issues and be the 6th seed in the west. They will add on to KD, while replenishing their future draft assets and draft someone with future All-Star potential in the top 10.

Or instead take the franchise PG they'll never have another chance to get. Ugh can't stomach trading that away to get another Sochan, Vassell, or Primo that.

[RC_Drunkford]

They're not a super team after adding 37YO Durant, don't be ridiculous

Read again what I said

there's a good chance we'll trade down from #2 for further upgrades and future draft capital

you somehow missed that part. KD won't be the only upgrade.

[baseline bum]

Read again what I said



you somehow missed that part. KD won't be the only upgrade.

I didn't miss the downgrade of trading down from #2. What short sighted idiocy, especially when Victor is not ready to be competing for les yet most likely.

[Em-City]

I would love a win-now build, but we simply need to take harper at #2 given the upside and window, despite the clunky fit with fox & castle.

Assuming KD joins, there's still a medium possibility to add rebounding & shooting to round out as the best team in the West this season or the following.



Vassell Johnson sochan Barnes #14 are all assets that can get back another place in addition to whatever KD costs.

[Chinook]

Hawks front office probably requires every employee to block Wright's number.



We can't trade just in '26 and '28 due to '27 being gone, but we have ATL '27 and we're good to go after '29.
Trading down from #2 to get future picks would be idiotic.

We can easily get late FRPs with SRPs.
We got 4 SRPs in '26 draft for example.



Harper has a way better starting point than Castle.



You seem to have too much inside info. We'll see if it's any good.

The Spurs can trade their 2026 and 2028 picks. ATL27 is unprotected and thus satisfies the Stepien rule. They shouldn't trade those picks, but they can without issue.

[RC_Drunkford]

I didn't miss the downgrade of trading down from #2. What short sighted idiocy, especially when Victor is not ready to be competing for les yet most likely.

[baseline bum]

That would be moronic, their only interesting pieces are small guards in Maxey and McCain.

[RC_Drunkford]

That would be moronic, their only interesting pieces are small guards in Maxey and McCain.

2028 Clippers pick
2028 Sixers pick
2029 Sixers pick with Clippers swap
2030 Sixers pick
2031 Sixers pick

I take 2-3 of those to go. But I'd rather get more than that, which is why Utah and NOLA are better options.

[Strategic]

Sixers haven’t had a desirable asset since Dr J and Chocolate Thunder.

[LeBowen]

2028 Clippers pick
2028 Sixers pick
2029 Sixers pick with Clippers swap
2030 Sixers pick
2031 Sixers pick

I take 2-3 of those to go. But I'd rather get more than that, which is why Utah and NOLA are better options.

Yeah, let's gift away a #2 pick who looks to be as safe of a prospect as it gets for a few unknown quan y first rounders.
Do you realize what are you even saying?
Some of you who go way into the deep end when it comes to trades completely lose the plot when it comes to what's actually valuable.

The only reasonable way to not pick Harper would be to get an all-star player in return. None seem to be available.
Murphy being the only exception because of his great contract and good fit.

[Ice009]

2028 Clippers pick
2028 Sixers pick
2029 Sixers pick with Clippers swap
2030 Sixers pick
2031 Sixers pick

I take 2-3 of those to go. But I'd rather get more than that, which is why Utah and NOLA are better options.

Those picks may turn out to be nothing great. Isn't one of those top 3 protected (I think a poster in another thread mentioned it). The 2029, '30, '31 picks are too far away IMO as you don't know what Philadelphia would be like by then or the NBA landscape itself.
Not sure they can wait that long for those either as the Spurs could need talent sooner than that. I wouldn't want to push it back that far. I'd be looking at it in blocks of 4 years at a time rather than anything past that.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, let's gift away a #2 pick who looks to be as safe of a prospect as it gets for a few unknown quan y first rounders.
Do you realize what are you even saying?
Some of you who go way into the deep end when it comes to trades completely lose the plot when it comes to what's actually valuable.

The only reasonable way to not pick Harper would be to get an all-star player in return. None seem to be available.
Murphy being the only exception because of his great contract and good fit.

But the Spurs can trade Harper for John Collins!

[baseline bum]

2028 Clippers pick
2028 Sixers pick
2029 Sixers pick with Clippers swap
2030 Sixers pick
2031 Sixers pick

I take 2-3 of those to go. But I'd rather get more than that, which is why Utah and NOLA are better options.

I thought you said the Spurs were trying to win now. Which one of those wins them more games than Dylan Harper?

[SpursFan86]

I can’t stress enough how stupid it would be to trade away Harper for a later pick and 2-3 future FRPs.

[Ice009]

Yeah, as I mentioned, I wouldn't want to push it back that far. I'd only be looking at teams with good draft picks in the next 4 years. If no-one has that, then do not trade the number 2 pick. Just draft Harper and if he's great, then you can even trade him for more later on if you can't afford to keep him, or trade Fox around that time.

Like Baseline_bum said, trading for picks like that aren't win now moves at all.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, as I mentioned, I wouldn't want to push it back that far. I'd only be looking at teams with good draft picks in the next 4 years. If no-one has that, then do not trade the number 2 pick. Just draft Harper and if he's great, then you can even trade him for more later on if you can't afford to keep him, or trade Fox around that time.

Like Baseline_bum said, trading for picks like that aren't win now moves at all.

There are only two things that make sense to with the number 2 pick

1. Draft Dylan Harper
- or -
2. Trade for Giannis

Trading a dollar for a dime and a pack of magic beans is moronic

[TD 21]

2. I don't like Jalen Johnson here. I don't really want a 3 that can't shoot and moreover I wouldn't commit $30M/per for it.

Johnson is a 4 and I can't imagine him or Okongwu are available outside of like 99% of players, which is if someone wants to drastically overpay.

With the dearth of an elite team(s) in the East and a similar construct to the Pacers, the Hawks probably think they're a good off season (internal development included) and health away from a punchers chance at a Pacers like run in the next few seasons.

There are only two things that make sense to with the number 2 pick

1. Draft Dylan Harper
- or -
2. Trade for Giannis

Trading a dollar for a dime and a pack of magic beans is moronic

Of course. Some of us just like kicking around different scenarios, what would satisfy each team, how the pieces would fit, etc.

[mo7888]

Johnson is a 4 and I can't imagine him or Okongwu are available outside of like 99% of players, which is if someone wants to drastically overpay.

With the dearth of an elite team(s) in the East and a similar construct to the Pacers, the Hawks probably think they're a good off season (internal development included) and health away from a punchers chance at a Pacers like run in the next few seasons.




Of course. Some of us just like kicking around different scenarios, what would satisfy each team, how the pieces would fit, etc.

I hope you're right and they won't move JJ because I don't want him.