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Barnes, Vassell and 14 is my absolute limit. Maybe subs ute Keldon or Sochan for Barnes but that's it. Vassell is a great young piece for a guy that's 37 and wants out.
Durant isn't moving two more places.
His agent is making sure of that.
He's coming to San Antonio to finish his career and it will be for less than what people think because that's how leverage works.
Barnes, Vassell and 14 is my absolute limit. Maybe subs ute Keldon or Sochan for Barnes but that's it. Vassell is a great young piece for a guy that's 37 and wants out.
After this Durant trade the Spurs will be over the cap.
He's in his 7th season. Do you want to start winning with Wemby when he's 28?
I doubt that's happening. He gon give the Spurs somewhat of a discount in that extension. Wemby, Castle plus Fox and KD on their max deals (which I think would be less) should still leave us with about 45 million in cap space.
The difference is these teams are overpaying to aquire stars. The Spurs are bargain shopping.
which is exactly why we will trade down from #2 and voila: future draft assets are back in stockWe gave up 4 pcisk for fox and was an overpay. 3 if you dont count Charlotte. People keep talking about us having tons of picks but I dont think we have a single year where we have more then 1 first rd pick. We have lots of seconds but not many first.
100% guaranteed that won't happenCan't wait for Fox/Castle/Vassell/Barnes/Wemby starting lineup on the opening night.
no they won't. They are 11 million under the cap right now, if they renounce all cap holds, which they will because none of the expiring contracts are back. If they trade Vassell/Barnes/Sochan they will still be under the cap by 9.5 million. Which is why I expected them to not include Sochan, so they can help Phoenix shave up their tax bill.
You also have to consider that the rookie contracts are not on the books yet. The Spurs can make all those moves and sign the rookies later, to then go over the cap and they would still have the MLE and the BAE available.
This isn’t how the cap works at all.
The number 2 pick has a cap hold. It stays on the cap until the player is signed to his actual contract. Also there are roster charges for every empty roster spot up to a minimum of 12 until a player is signed. This is why the Spurs are indeed over the cap and they will operate as an over the cap team, as they should.
Teams also can’t use both cap space plus MLE and BAE, it’s either or. If they use cap space they have the room exception. There is no advantage for a team to operate below the cap with a number that is less than the MLE.
Gambo is still saying he wants to go to the Spurs, which is exactly where he will go
that's weird because all trade machines show me that the Spurs can absorb 11.3 million once I renounce all expirings from last year plus 2 ways, which is why Vassell + Barnes would be enough salary for a KD trade
I hope so, but I'm afraid Giannis staying put will raise KD's market. Spurs should not go into bidding war for him. Rockets, maybe even Miami, will likely put better offers on the table (picks + extension money).
There is an urgency for the Spurs to make the playoffs next season but it not yet at a desperation level that makes you deplete your assets for 37-yo KD. We will be in the mix as it is with few marginal moves.
Sure but this isn’t because of cap space, it’s due to regular salary matching. Durant’s salary is less than 125% of the combined Vassell and Barnes, (plus 250k), so it works. Here the Spurs cap situation being clean allows flexibility, saves the Suns a ton of money, gets them below the second apron and also doesn’t get the Spurs over the first apron. So it’s all good.
Finally we shall have talent in our team.....
Wemby
Durant
Back up center
Fox
Castle
Harper
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so there's a 3-team deal being discussed that sends KD to the Wolves and Randle to Houston. I'm not sure who the other players are. Suns apparently want Dillingham to be included. Also not sure if KD is out on Minny completely, he might be down to go there.
This would obviously involve a ton of cap gymnastics cause the Suns and T-Wolves are apron teams. Rockets would have to take on players and they might even need a 4th team like Utah or Brooklyn to get in and take on salary.
Why in would Houston want Randle and give up assets for him?
Last edited by RC_Drunkford; 06-12-2025 at 07:06 AM.
Randle to Houston makes no sense whatsoever.
Idk where are you getting these news and I think of you as a quality member, but you're really digging yourself deep with all of this fanfiction to the point where you wrote so many scenarios that something simply has to be true.
well I'm just trying to find out what's on the table. Obviously front offices discuss multiple scenarios and not everything materializes. For example the Hawks insider said before Fox there was an ATL/Lakers/Spurs Trae Young deal on the table, but the Spurs didn't want to do it because they thought they would be giving up too much. They then later pivoted to Fox when he wanted out of Sacramento
I'm still consistent on the fact that the Spurs and KD have mutual interest and that the Spurs want to trade down from #2. All the other options depend on counter offers and other deals that might materialize. As far as I know KD told the Suns on tuesday he wants to go to San Antonio and the deal is in place. That doesn't mean the Suns can't work the phonelines and try to find a better deal.
So to be clear Durant does not have a no trade clause. That seems like it would be the ideal situation. So the question is what will another team bid and will it be a stupid amount of assets. But, were KD to indicate he won’t likely sign again with that team (except SAS), I guess that means the lack of a no trade clause becomes mute. Or does it?
That one made some sense.
Where's the logic behind Randle to Houston?
Are you telling me they're trading Sengun even with Giannis off the table because Randle-Sengun duo would make no sense whatsoever.
This is just one of those fairytale reports with Spurs trying to bait someone into a ridiculous overpay which won't happen.Spurs want to trade down from #2.
I have no clue, but the Wolves might view this like the Raptors did with nephew. We were right there and take our chances on a 1-year rental.
The Rockets have absolutely nothing to gain out of this situation.
I am just starting to really hope we don’t get in the Durant business. I think it’s going to cost a lot more than we all hope and it won’t go as well as planned anyway. I would rather improve around the margins with our draft picks and a few free agents or cheap trades. With healthy fox and Wemby and Harper in the fold we will be a playoff team. Let’s see what we can do. This isn’t nba 2k. We don’t need an all star in every position. We need gritty defenders and good three point shooters to put around our stars as the two finals teams have right now.
No one was really competing with TOR on that deal. I also am not sure how much KD helps TOR. Kawhi wasn’t 37 when he went there. They should probably wait for Giannis to eventually become dissatisfied.
Except Shai was traded to the Thunder on 2019 to a dead roster. They didn't get there two next best players, Holmgrom and Williams, until 2022, and Holmgrom didn't play until 2023. So even taking 2022, within 3 years of getting their second and third best players, they are in the finals. Wemby doesn't have to wait until 3 years to draft the next two best players on his team. If the Spurs draft Harper and trade for Durant, they are built for a deep playoff run next season, not when Wemby is 28. And without Durant, they'll get someone else in free agency and be a playoff team next year (assuming Wemby health) and probably contending in 3 years, which is right when Wemby is at the beginning of his prime.
and on a max contract as well as Castle and the year after Harper is on a max and you're stuck with 4 max contracts and have to at least trade one of them...
fairytale huh?
Yes, fairytale from random reporters.
As I said, I consider you to be a quality member, but if you continue pushing all of these random stories as the truth and it turns out you were wrong, you better be able to take the L afterwards.
Some random guy on twitter posted it. His follow up tweet also stated that it was contingent on KD wanting to go to minny and they weren’t certain he wanted to go. So really was a bunch of nothing
KD won't be traded to the Spurs.
The Spurs aren't going to want to trade enough to get him(What Phoenix will ask for) and they will see him not on the right timeline with the core of Harper, Wemby and Castle.
Spurs also like the prospects who will be available at 14 and aren't interested in trading Sochan.
Spurs are fine staying with the 2 and 14 picks and will make another trade to fill roster needs after/during the draft after they make the 2nd and 14th picks.
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