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Thinking a generational talent will to take a pay cut??? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. The stuff people say in this forum lol.
I've never understood this justification. It's not like Vassell is significantly taller than Haliburton (if at all), and he wasn't a better 3pt shooter, 2pt shooter, or free throw shooter. It's easy to argue that Haliburton was a better on ball and a better off ball prospect. Maybe there was a perception that Devin was a better defender at the time, but otherwise Haliburton seemed to have every other advantage, and could've been slotted in as a SG just as easily as Vassell was. It was a huge miss at the time that resulted in Wemby through sheer luck, but it seems to go against everything the Spurs now preach in terms of wanting multiple ball handlers, maximum versatility, and a "positionless" scheme.
Thinking a generational talent will to take a pay cut??? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. The stuff people say in this forum lol.
There is not many rookie guards that come in as a rookie and are a plus, that's why?
Why are you still here? Defrozen/Derozan is not on spurs uniform anymore.
not in his first 2 max contract. He needs the money in his 20’s and early 30’s.
This. Actually spurs organization can brainwash him to do that.
Spurs should closely monitor, how OKC will handle their issue with extending players. If OKC take paycut, to stick together, that may be new meta.
And by paycut, I mean taking 47mil per year, rather than 52m in case for SGA.
I think if they won a chip or are close to it he might. They might even do it as a group if they stay together, where everybody takes a slight discount to keep the band together. The same thing might go for OKC though.
Wemby taking a paycut is crazy talk. He won’t and he shouldn’t. The Tim Duncan example is completely wrong as Timmy got every dollar available to him for his first 14-15 seasons. He was even making over the max for a few seasons due to contract increases.
The only chance for the Spurs to get some sort of flexibility would be if the CBA is updated and the cap hit for max players drafted by the same team is reduced, say if you’ve drafted a guy and he qualifies for the Rose max he’d still get it but the cap hit would that of a regular max. There’s some logic in this but it doesn’t seem likely to actually happen.
That’s true. Not everyone is TP. That being said speed and athleticism always transfer in the playoffs. It’s his shooting that will make or break him in the playoffs. The same with Castle. The same with the whole team. I think Harper will contribute greatly if we make the playoffs bc I expect some of our guys to be tight and not Harper. Dude has a confidence that i haven’t seen from a young guard prospect in years.
Shooting will make or break him and Castle if we're talking star potential, but we just saw a team win a finals game on the road without being a threat from 3pt.
If Harper's paint penetration translates and Castle tightens up his handle, Spurs will be a nightmare to deal with because it's obvious Wemby will always be more focused on the perimeter than traditional big man game.
Yes all I care about is insulting people. I’m known for starting threads about specific posters so I can insult them on a personal level. I’m also known for cussing them out here in multiple other threads… oh wait that isn’t me. That’s somebody else instead.
Whether they were building off of them or not is semantics. I guarantee that they thought Sochan would be a part of the “core” going forward. I’m sure they thought they found their new 3D guy for years to come in Vassell. The point is that the Spurs have made a lot of incorrect assumptions about their team and organization. Only for them to be proven wrong over and over again and again.
You don’t get the #2 pick in the draft and use it on the most talented guard prospect since Ja and not have him as part of your “core” going forward. Nobody in the organization thought that we would even get the number two pick to begin with. They thought their core (pre-Fox) was good enough to make the playoffs. I was the only one to correctly say that we would get a top 4 pick this year before the season even started. Everyone thought the same as the FO that we were too good to get a top 4 pick. Whelp.
We have zero information about Harper. We’ve never seen him play. Never seen him learn our offense. Never seen how he picks up our defense. Never seen him work on an outside shot for 4 consecutive years. We have nothing on him. So the Spurs right now thinking that Fox and Castle are our core guys doesn’t mean much. They think Mitch is our actual coach going forward. The truth is that the Spurs don’t believe that bc if they did then they would be making championship moves. A generational big, all star guard, and a rising all star level guard is enough to compete for a championship nowadays. Heck Indy has less than that and are in the finals.
People here are saying that this isn’t a championship team. But that’s bc we aren’t acting like one. That “core” of Fox, Wemby, and Castle should get us home court next season. They won’t and that’s bc the organization is hedging their bets. They refuse to surround them with modern NBA players. Instead we will have zero defense chuckers like KJ and Vassell. No offense Sochan. No really back up big man. No real backup PG and no real wing 3&D players. If the Spurs really believed in this core then they would do more to support it.
I think you can be a star guard without developing a great jumper as long as you’re elite at getting to the FT line (which both Castle and Harper have the potential of doing). If you’re a guard who can consistently penetrate and break down defenses, make plays for others, and finish in the paint at a high level while also getting to the line 8-10 times a game…definitely think that player can be a star, especially if they’re a high level defender. Jimmy Butler might be the best example of this if we exclude hyper-athletic guys.
That being said, in the context of Harper/Castle playing together long term I do think at least one of them will probably need to develop a solid jumper. If both of them are sub-35% shooters from deep I think it’ll make things pretty challenging. In that case the most likely outcome is one of them takes over a 6th man type role and you likely end up staggering their minutes a fair amount.
Agreed with most of the stuff, but not this one. We were on track for around .500 record before Wemby got hurt and we would've surely been in the play-in.
We got a top4 pick because of Wemby's injury and some more ridiculous lottery luck.
Harper will solve that issue.No real backup PG
I'd say Champagnie was showing some good stuff after Jeremy got injured, but then he lost his spot and a lot of minutes because we had to develop our Rodman cosplayer and Vassell also returned.no real wing 3&D players.
Same as Dallas really. Both the Dallas and Spurs shouldn't have gotten the 1st and 2nd pick. You really can't that amazing luck up, and you need to take Cooper and Dylan if you're both teams. You don't pass up that incredible luck up.
It sucks that Dallas will get Cooper as I freaking really like him, and I think I am going to watch some regular season Dallas games for the first time ever.
Duncan took an 11.5 million pay cut in 2012 and 5 millions in 2015. Duncan was not a generational talent? Who were the superstar deserving of a max contract playing with Duncan in his first years?
Honestly the 2 pick coming now is good. That gives you a need to trade one of castle, fox harper. 27 or 28 time frame getting picks in return since your own should be end of first round. Farm and repeat till your franchise player declines.
that makes fixing the back up C spot even more important. We really need somebody who flurishes in pick & rolls.
A good start would be Fox taking a small discount and the Spurs frontloading the contract, so there's less of a cap crunch in 2029 when Harper's extension is kicking in.
Absolutely agree with this point. Spurs need to stop ing around and create a roster that can actually play modern basketball. That means we need forwards who are high volume 3-point snipers. That would open up the lanes for our slashing guards and allow Wemby to get isos in the post/at the top of the key.
With Harper's questionable shot and if they indeed keep Sochan, the back up big would then also have to be a stretch 5. Of course I totally expect them to again run out line ups with questionable spacing and take things slow, which would be pretty frustrating if we're still doing this.
Hearing that they are trying to keep Keldon, who's a 31% shooter from 3 and our worst defender, is even worse. He should be one of the first players on the trading block.
I've been saying it since last summer, this roster isn't functional as soon as Wemby sits. There will surely be opportunities to get a good rim protector/runner.
Imo, either Sorber at #14 or hopefully that Washington/Gafford trade idea I posted.
Another thing I'll repeat is that over the past 15 years the only playmaking guard taller than 6'4 selected in top5 and busted was Evan Turner, if we exclude career altering injuries to a couple of players.
Harper is a safe of a prospect as it gets. Even if he doesn't develop into a star, I can't see him being anything less than a solid 15/5/7 reliable playmaker.
I mean that's why he's the consensus #2 pick. Cause his only flaw is shooting off the dribble. The arch on his shot is a little too flat. But if Devin Vassell and Lonnie Walker can develop off the dribble shooting, there's no reason to believe Harper can't.
I'm not too worried about his shot.
The most important thing is that he doesn't hesitate and is taking every shot he should. Percentages and shot mechanic will come over the next few years.
For comparison, I thought Castle won't be a shooting threat at all and he's made 95 3pts in his rookie season. A lot of which were off the dribble or a few steps behind the line.
If Harper's Parker-like efficency at the rim translates, it's over in combination with Wemby's spacing.
My point exactly. Spurs fans STILL living in the past and thinking everybody who comes to this team should be a Duncan or Ginobli.This is 2025, not a decade ago. Vic is not Duncan. Still he will deserve every penny and more from a corporation generating millions of dollars annually off of his name and likeness alone. You wouldn't give your employer a discount for the work you do and neither should Vic.
2012 was 15 years into his career. People are expecting Wemby to cough up money in his 5th season.
i could maybe see PATFO convincing Wemby to take a paycut on his second extension down the line depending on their needs and who's available on the market.
no way he takes a cut on his first extension though and nor should he. he'll get the max available and it'll be good business.
Wemby is going to be the first 100 million a year player. He’s not turning that down or taking less.
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