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I don’t think anyone has said that. His 75% outcome is probably high All Star/multiple All NBA, though.
I wanted Harper but I just feel people may need to temper their expectations. We've seen only a few games of him in college as a freshman. I would've loved to see more in meaningful situations like the NCAA tournament but unfortunately they didn't make it. I myself need a bigger sample size.
I don’t think anyone has said that. His 75% outcome is probably high All Star/multiple All NBA, though.
Guards with legitimate multiple all-NBA selections potential just don’t come around often. I really feel like Flagg is warping everyone’s perspectives tbh. If this was a different year where the Spurs had #1 pick and there was only Harper with no Flagg out there, I imagine there’d be far less willingness to trade the pick for all of these packages being discussed.
Harper’s median outcome is a very high level starter, and his ceiling is being a top 3 guard in the league. He would go #1 in a lot of draft classes and we shouldn’t be trading him unless the package is just ridiculous.
40% on c&s from 3 seems good
What do these players have in common? Brunson, Edwards, Shai, Halliburton. As star point guards they lead their team to the final four of the playoffs.
Harper is one of the very few prospects who has a real chance to join their company. That makes his value off the charts and is why when I listen to team blogs such as Philly, Wizards, Nets, their fans are all absolutely ready to back a U-Haul full of family treasures up in trade. Dude is one of the best assets in the league at the moment.
He’s still unproven, just like all of these other guys in the draft. Fans simply overrate players in the draft and draft picks. I’m still one of the only people on here advocating to trade away these picks. The spurs have their superstar on his rookie contract, going into his third year. They should be surrounding him with proven NBA players, not more rookies.
Wonder if Desmond Bane getting traded for four ing first rounders is going to embolden the Suns to ask for a bigger return for Durant
If Cooper Flagg was in the 2023 draft he would 100% be the #2 selection. That would be one of the most valuable #2s of all time. This #2 is also up there. The actual number doesn’t mean anything, it’s the player behind the number. Vecenie has said Risacher would probably be drafted around 8 (bottom of his third tier) if he was in this draft lol.
Actually, of the teams in question, I'd argue Durant's best chance at a championship over the duration of his career, is the Spurs.
The Rockets are definitely higher floor, but at going on 37 and playing at a borderline All-NBA level, he can no longer be the best player on a championship team and on a team that's best player (Sengun) and highest ceiling player (Thompson) project as no higher than that and without the respective skillsets to be the first option, he'd have to be.
And yet the best team in the league drafted almost everyone in their 10 man roster.
The other finalist has 2 of it's own draft picks, two players who were deemed not good enough by their teams in their respective roles and one good player they traded for.
Which players?They should be surrounding him with proven NBA players, not more rookies.
Which players that we can realistically get are good enough to warrant trading away the #2 pick?
Our superstar just missed half the season with a serious medical issue and we hired a rookie coach, you can't blow your load on win-now moves when we actually don't know about the roster and the coaching staff.
It’s so sad to see you guys have sold ur souls for mercenary Kevin Durant. You should turn in ur Spurs fandom id badges. Don’t you want to see organic teams arising from the draft and player development? Don’t you want to see unselfish Spursian basketball like it was 2013? Damnatikn to all of You!
I just want him to teach Victor some things that might get Victor to an even higher level. I don't care if we get him that much. As long as the Spurs draft Harper, that is the main thing I'm concerned with.
That Desmond Bane trade might have really screwed things up a bit, though.
Four unprotected firsts including #15 this year and phoenix’s unprotected pick in 26 and there’s also a pick swap lol. And you guys think we are getting KD for just one pick hahahahaha.
2014 we hired belinelli as a hired gun. Aside from durant, team is still looking pretty organic. That aside, no, idgaf if kawhi, steph, and lebron get hired along too. Get that chip!
name the last NBA championship team that was organic
I don’t know why you’re comparing the spurs to okc or Indiana. The spurs are in a completely different context. They have a superstar already.
It’s hilarious to see, in successive posts, that the spurs are a KD away from championship contention, and also a complete unknown as far as their future prospects. I think they’re much closer to contender status than most of you do, but they need proven players. I’d take that gamble in a second over the gamble of a number two pick
OKC will probably win this one.
Nuggets drafted their three best players.
How are we in a different context than OKC?
They got their MVP after his rookie year with the Clippers, then built around him through draft.
We got our MVP and we added an all-star point guard already, before even coming close to the playoffs.
The only player who'd make Spurs a contender right away would've been Giannis and even if we got him we'd need a couple more trades to improve the supporting cast.It’s hilarious to see, in successive posts, that the spurs are a KD away from championship contention, and also a complete unknown as far as their future prospects. I think they’re much closer to contender status than most of you do, but they need proven players. I’d take that gamble in a second over the gamble of a number two pick
We need proven players, but we don't need to overpay for players that aren't worth overpaying for.
During the second round I made a post about the rotations of each remaining team, there are a lot of players who were either late FRPs or reclamation projects acquired for very cheap.
Just look at both Thunder and Pacers.
Dort was undrafted, Williams was picked after Jeremy.
Nesmith never got a chance in Boston and Nembhard was a second round pick.
Not to mention that with current CBA trading for proven players is way harder because you run out of cap space before you know it.
I think people are equally worried Ace Bailey is the next Alfrederick Hughes while VJ Edgecomb and Tre Johnson bring the same fit problems without the upside of Harper.
Well, Bane is not almost 37 on a one year deal though so I wouldn't expect Durant to fetch the same haul at this point especially considering every knows he wants out
I'd say the Bane trade has lowered the chances of a Durant trade right down. I don't see the Spurs offering any other picks. Houston will likely beat that if they want him. Hopefully the do waste more assets than they wanted/planned to before this Bane trade happened.
SGA’s first all star selection came in like year 5. It’s nothing like wemby’s situation. I’m not in favor of overpaying for vets, but I also think it’s a huge mistake to overvalue draft picks.
For the record, I do think Edgecombe has a Harper type ceiling, but he has a much lower floor, and as you said, isn't as good of a fit.
He averaged 19/5/6 in his second and 24/5/6 in his third year. It was obvious he'll be their main guy.
Yeah, we were on course for a .500 season, traded for Fox to make the playoffs and then Wemby got injured.It’s nothing like wemby’s situation.
That's why we're open to trading the #14 pick.I’m not in favor of overpaying for vets, but I also think it’s a huge mistake to overvalue draft picks.
You don't trade #2 unless it's worth it.
You are going to be wrong. Every player in the league was a rookie at one time.
You have to lock up high value rookie talent prospects when you have a chance to draft them.
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