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Got darn Nico.
I'd say trading for a legit superstar in his prime has become pretty much impossible because even if you get him you have nothing left.
Unless you're dealing with Nico, that is.
Got darn Nico.
Like Fox deal, ORL gave up no meaningful players (Cole is better than anyone who SA gave up in Fox deal but hes expendable). Bane’s deal is reasonable for his production and when you dont give up any true core players, you compensate with picks.
Overpaid by a pick at least for sure, but it makes sense for ORL to go pick heavy vs giving up a core guy (like Franz) to keep picks out of deal IMO. Now, will it end up being worth it? Depends on how they perform and what picks turn into etc…but as a general strategy I personally agree with that direction/thinking/strategy
The mother of all offseasons begin........
The off-season hasn't actually begun yet. If this is a teaser, it's a pretty darn big one. I thought it was frowned up to announce trades during the NBA finals? Does this mean other teams can just start doing trades now?
I do not think this makes them a contender. I don't there's enough shooting or quality depth and I expect the depth problem to be exacerbated when they have to move a couple pieces to cut salary in a year or two.
Obviously they had to trade salaries to make it work...but 4 unprotected firsts AND a swap?
Those are assets that should only be flying around for a superstar, or at least an All-NBA type guy. I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of Desmond Bane's game, but I'm pretty damn sure he isn't either of those.
My concern is now anybody in future trades can point to this as an example of why they expect better compensation for a good-but-not great player.
I don't think it effects Durant. There only a few teams looking at him and does this make anyone up there ante? I don't think so..
Man, we need to shop Devin hard if Bane is fetching that tbh. Bane is better obviously but damn.
No one is going to go "Oh, we were only comfortable giving up X for Durant, but after seeing Bane go for four firsts and a swap, we want to give up a lot more now." Phoenix cannot keep Durant, so they aren't going to be able to threaten not to trade him if they don't get more. This was always going to be about how much the 2-6 teams that want Durant are willing to pay. None of them give a about the what the Magic do with their picks.
Feels like one of those classic, panic "save-my-job" trades a GM would do. Pressure is mounting in Orlando to make a deep post season run with Mosley getting slowly put on the hot seat for the team's lack of offensive creativity..
It's more that they're going all in while not in a position to do so, at least from my perspective. They're not one player away from contention and they're going to be super expensive from next year on. They'll be capped out with 4 players on the roster - Banchero, Bane, Franz and Suggs = 100% of the cap, or damn near. They still don't have a true PG too.
It'll take a monumental job to build the roster around those 4 with the scraps they have left. Most likely they'll have to trade Suggs or Franz, or both, within a couple of years.
Can always point to Luka trade as a counter. Or Fox deal.
Luka trade basically broke the market tbh. May be one of the most WTF trades in the history of sports.
I've heard this nonsensical narrative too from the usual media suspects pushing their agenda, but the Magic have no primary shot creator and have been the worst shooting team in the league.
I don't care who the coach is or what they run (in a mostly genized league), that combination = a terrible offense.
So I think in East it’s wide open. ORL IMO could easily make a leap with this team to being right in the mix which is all you can ask for. Besides that, I also think that ORL know (like with Bane) if they ever do need to reset any of their core players can recoup much of what they sent out.
So the logic is keep all your main youth, go pick heavy, and see if this type of upgrade can make you a contender for ECF in East for 2 years. If not? Can always trade Franz or Suggs or a couple others and recoup most of what you lost and try again
I wonder if any calls were made to the spurs in an attempt from orlando to pry the #2 pick/harper. 4-5 1st round picks possibly. I’d imagine its strongly possible. And if so, shows how strongly spurs see harper fitting with the spurs and for the long run next to wemby.
This feels a lot like the Dejounte Murray trade, where a team doesn't want to trade their player but another team gets a bug about prying him loose. Good on Memphis for making them pay.
Orlando won't be a bad team, with Paolo and Franz, so their own picks will be post-lottery. I'm not sure Bane is the guy, but didn't realize he's only 26. Feels like he's been around forever. With Boston down, the East is really bad going forward and here's the move to take. Just feels like an overpay, and a consequence of failing to get shooters in. How did they not take Gradey instead of Jett Howard?
Probably everyone has called them. Those Orlando picks are not going to be that great.
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The funniest thing about this Bane trade is that if Orlando really wanted to go all in for Bane, they should have swapped Paolo and salary for JJJ and could have probably saved a pick or two. Paolo is perceived as the better player, but Orlando would legitimately be a functional team with JJJ instead.
Suggs
Bane
Franz
JJJ
Goga
If Suggs and Franz revert back to close to their form from a year or two ago, that's a scary team with high level rim protection and perimeter defense, good composite shooting, and no ball stoppers. However, Memphis' front office is pretty smart and analytically driven, so they may not get fooled by Paolo like some other front offices.
There's not a universe where I'd trade Paolo for JJJ, to be honest. JJJ is horribly overrated and has a at ude to boot.
I wouldn't at all be surprised if Ja is next.
Memphis seem bent on re-negotiating and maxing out JJJ, perhaps they realize they're going nowhere with the current roster and want to retool around him (bad premise, tbh)
So, who out there would be most interested in Ja?
I don't think JJJ is some world beater, but I also think Paolo is massively overrated as well, especially in the context of Orlando's roster construction. Orlando's -8/100 possessions in 2300 minutes where Paolo is playing without Franz dating back to 2022, while Franz is +0.6/100 in 4600 minutes without Paolo. Together, they're +1.5 in 4000 minutes. This past season, Franz alone was +9.5, Paolo alone was -9.5, and the two together were +3.8. If you think JJJ sucks, fine, try and get some more picks back but I think the fundamental issue may be the Franz-Paolo combo which I don't think Bane is necessarily going to solve.
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