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Starters get 15 plus and it's going up
Rotational players get around 8 plus.
You think Sochan is kinda in the middle of that?
I wonder how much the players pay for it.
I do find it strange that the players pay the money and not the team organising trainers to do the workouts.
Starters get 15 plus and it's going up
Rotational players get around 8 plus.
You think Sochan is kinda in the middle of that?
If He Develops A Shot should be an acronym (IHDAS).
Sochan would have to be an idiot to sign for < $12M/yr. If that’s the offer, he’ll likely just roll into RFA next summer, just bet on himself and other teams interest. There will be teams with cap room next year, and most of them will strike out with the top FAs. There will be more teams with the MLE to use. He’ll get better than 11 and change.
He’s not a starter on our team…
But really he’s going to get $15 million a year just based on potential alone and I’m ok with that. The problem I have is I just don’t see a role for him on this team. People keep saying how amazing his defense is and that’s fine and everything but it isn’t THAT amazing where we can start him bc of it. You can’t even have him close out games either bc he’s a bad free throw shooter and bad three point shooter as well. So really what are the contracts of high energy bench players. They’re about what you give Steven Adams. $13-15 million a year
Alternatively, IHDA3PS.
projected salary was 33/3. Spurs will probably overpay with shooting incentives included. All I'm saying if he indeed takes that leap, lock him into a good contracts. Role players on cheap contracts are key when it comes to building a contender.
He’s a 72.5% career FT shooter. That’s better than Duncan’s career mark.
He’s also our only real big wing defender, taking care of guys
Like LeBron and Tatum.
Yeah, the extension is the issue, him developing a respectable jump shot is not impossible but it's fair to assume it's unlikely. If he's willing to sign an extension that reflects that then you can hold on to him for a couple more years to see how it progresses, otherwise in this apron era he becomes a huge negative the second he signs that extension, that's a chance I wouldn't take given there's already a viable core in place and that money needs to go towards complementing them.
If he's willing to take a deal below the NTMLE, say 3+1 or 2+1 (last year team option) then you can continue investing at a tolerable risk, otherwise just forgo an extension and let him play the year and enter restricted free agency, you can either include him if anyone gives you back positive value, or negotiate a year from now or match. I don't see a market for him currently, I read the past couple of days Cleveland had to attach assets to move from Okoro who is making barely above 10 million for a couple of years, that should tell you the market for role players who aren't proven playoff contributors.
I think an interesting hedge would be, if he isn't willing to sign a team friendly extension right now, to push talks off for a year while signing LaRavia to a deal below 10 million, say 2+1 (team option) for 25 million or so. You get more time to evaluate who is your long term keeper, for fielding offers for Sochan, and in any case you still get a chance to match any offer sheet. Most sensible path right now IMO.
This is kind of becoming irrelevant with the new generation.
Who are even the elite big wings that could compete against the Spurs in the future?
Amen Thompson isn't that big, speed will be more important when defending him.
I guess Flagg is coming.
Zion will never get healthy.
There's also Markkanen.
That's it for star wings under 30 with legit size in the West.
Tatum, Giannis, Wagner, Banchero and I guess maybe Barnes are in the East.
We won't really need a great on ball big defender as much, having size will be relevant for rebounding.
That would be amazing value. I would it expect it to be quite a bit higher just because of the crazy market these days.
Really no telling when he doesn't have a major feature outside of his defense. Hate to pay for potential but the market is what it is.
From all the rumors, the Suns wanted Sochan and the Spurs said no. They value this guy a lot more than Spurstalk.
I'd put JWill from OKC on the list of big wing sized players we will need to be able to defend against for the foreseeable future
He shot 68% last year and tbh Duncan was a ty free throw shooter too. Eventually he became a good one but I was always nervous with Duncan at the line.
I know he is our only big wing defender. But I’m not really sure that we need a big wing defender outside of the two LA teams. And Kawhi lights us up anyways so I don’t think Sochan would shut him down. In the West we can get away with the 3 guard line up. Really with LeBron and Luka being such ty defenders we can get away with it against them too.
My point is though that Sochan isn’t a starter so really he is going to get bench player money. And if he doesn’t get a shot then we would look to replace him the same way we are looking to replace Vassell. Like what if we draft Carter Bryant with the 14th and he learns to shoot. Would Sochan ever be our starter in that case? Probably not. As of now his role is high energy bench defender. I don’t see that changing.
As a player, I think that’s exactly where he is.
The previous page post about being patient with Sochan because he is still young and developing is compelling… but if he is still 3 years away… then he basically needs to take that sub MLE money to give a team the runway to be patient with him. Can’t afford to pay developed-product prices for potential.
Sounds like argument for Sochan’s developmental path is the same argument for why he needs to basically be on a 7-year look rookie deal (money wise)
Suns seem determined to get a big in return for Durant. What if Toronto pulls another Nephew plan to go all in and offers up Poeltl and RJ Barrett and 2026, 2028 lightly protected lottery first round picks
Phoenix likely takes it. Durant throws a hissy fit. He wants warm weather and no income tax.
then they get durant
Jeremy with that huge magazine because he needs all the bullets he can get to actually hit someone.
Yeah. Kick and also leaning to the right. But progress.
Spursfans overvalue our bench that would be in the G league on other teams and undervalues the only players with actual game ability.
Defense wins championships and he's the best defender on the perimeter the Spurs have and one of the best in the league. This is a league dominated by wings.
How many non-shooters have had relevant roles in this year's playoffs?This is a league dominated by wings.
Not a single non-shooting wing has been relevant. We lost regular season games because Jeremy was left wide open over and over again and couldn't do , he'd be unplayable in the playoffs.
How would you play against OKC's aggressive defense that's focused on forcing turnovers if you have Sochan in the corner, ffs.
I don’t see Sochan resigning for anything less than 54/3
terrible
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