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Seems like it’s confirmed that we’re the #1 choice. I feel like he’s coming here tbh…unless Wright is just trying to pull an absolute fleece-job and is refusing to even give up 14 or something
Heat offer is apparently just Wiggins, Duncan Robinson, #20 and Heat 29 first
Seems like it’s confirmed that we’re the #1 choice. I feel like he’s coming here tbh…unless Wright is just trying to pull an absolute fleece-job and is refusing to even give up 14 or something
That seems better than Vassell/Barnes/14, no?
not really. Spurs can always throw in something. Besides KD wants to come here and no matter how much the Suns talk, they won't send him to a place he doesn't want to play at.
Maybe we throw in some of our 372 second rounders to close the deal?
Really seems spurs are his first option. Now suns may still send him elsewhere but if it’s somewhere he doesn’t care about he could just join as a UFA one year later
if not is, hopefully he goes to minnesota and they bomb
No. Picks in the20s are usually ass.
We should take the 14thout of the offer and give them our 2026 first round pick top5 protected.
If KD is telling everyone he will only extend with the Spurs, that's the best case.
No. That pick has a swap attached. Lottery protected, maybe, not just top 5.
I feel like we’re completely out guys lol like it’s personal for Phoenix since the spurs are refusing to add to the deal
damn that athletic article is practically lobbying for a durant-to-minnesota deal
maybe it's PHX using national insiders to publicly pressure durant into changing his stance on going there.
it's been reported that MIN are prepared to offer more than the teams on KD's list. gobert/randle, divincenzo + picks is a solid offer and the best of what's probably on the table.
PHX want it but KD currently does not. guess we'll see which side blinks first.
One would think if Durant out and out says “I don’t want to be in Minnesota”
That to me would scare Minnesota a bit, but whatever
Hey scott, where do you get your data? I wanna make similar graphs, but with different x and y variables.Not so much geared towards you, ex, but you provide a good launching pad for this discussion.
Vecenie did a pretty thorough breakdown on the Bane trade on the most recent Game Theory Podcast, and I tend to agree with the valuation they came up with. KCP and Anthony were both upside down to the tune of what they estimate to be 1 FRP and 1 swap. So Bane essentially is worth 3 FRPs in this deal. We could also get into expected pick quality, as that is also a factor, but let's just leave it at that. There is also the matter of a pretty unique fit for Bane in what ORL is trying to do, which could drive some of their overpaying, but let's leave that aside as well.
So does Bane being worth 3 FRP give us some insight into what Vassell might be worth?
One consideration is something Sam and Brice discussed in the pod - the NBA seems to be sending clear messages through recent trade activity that there is a HIGH value placed on off-the-ball scorers who are positive defenders. See Bridges and now Bane. Less value placed upon non-defenders who need the ball in their hands more (see Ingram). If you are comparing Vassell to Bane or BI, he more closely resembles BI on the court than he does Bane (and to be clear, BI is still a better player on the court than Devin by almost every available perspective, except he's older and more expensive which is certainly a consideration).
I don't know where I'd rank him, but Vecenie and Brice claim Bane is a Top-6 3P shooter in the league, in a tier right behind Steph. Vassell is, at best, a slightly above average 3P shooter if we give him the benefit of the doubt on injuries impacting his %s (I believe he's only finished above league average from 3 once in his career, but I'd need to double check that).
There's a quite a bit of a drop off from Bane to Vassell. Especially when we consider the defensive end. Bane is a positive defender whereas Devin is a sieve. With that said, I would say that in light of the Bane deal, the Spurs *should* be able to convincingly value Devin at 1 FRP of similar quality to those in the Bane deal.
So we have:
HOU: Green + Filler + 10
SAS: Dev + Barnes + 14
MIN: Gobert + Dilly? + 17?
These are from the DARKO Historical Career Trajectory tool, not graphs I built.
https://apanalytics.shinyapps.io/DARKO/
The Athletic is reporting his preference is Spurs.
Did not have Durant pulling a Fox and forcing the issue. Should be an entertaining next few hours.
So what are the offers on the table right now? Is this correct:
Heat - Wiggins, Robinson, #20 and #29
Rockets - Green, #10
Spurs - Vassell, Barnes, #14, and 2nd round picks
TWolves - Gobert and DiVicenzo
Lots of smoke right now, feels like this happens in the next 24 hours.
It feels kind of similar to the Fox situation.
However that was more “spurs are the team” and no one else were reported to be in on it, plus Phoenix seems more ish
Athletic article feels like a letter to durant begging him to want to go to Minnesota
If they’re waiting for KD to “change his mind” on MIN, I wouldn’t bet on that lol.
I’d imagine the MIN offer is contingent on him agreeing to sign an extension.
We'll see if the Suns cave or not.
Their owner is directly involved, which means the owner's ego is directly involved.
Ishbia seems to think he's a genius who is going to turn the Suns around by doing "things very differently than most other NBA franchises.”
He also recently told his staff, “I will be extremely active in the decisions and management of this organization, on and off the floor.
I suspect Durant wanted only SA at the start and the Suns convinced him to open it up to the Rockets and Heat.
That hasn't worked and so Durant seems to be back on his SA preference.
We'll see if the owner is willing to take a lopsided deal now to avoid an even worse situation with Durant if they don't trade him.
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