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If they are going to push him to consider Minny he can push back by saying only Spurs. The Suns are trying to keep it civil for the sake of other relationships seems like.
I know KD is saying he prefers the Spurs, but it sounds like a “I prefer the Spurs but Houston and Miami are cool too” rather than a “send me to San Antonio.” I think it’d need to be the latter for him to end up here tbh.
If they are going to push him to consider Minny he can push back by saying only Spurs. The Suns are trying to keep it civil for the sake of other relationships seems like.
My sense is Suns have Spurs best offer, Spurs have made clear there isn’t much wiggle, and Suns are doing a last push to see if Houston will return their picks to top the offer. Houston holdout the line, but I think they’ll end up with the winning deal.
If I was Houston I wouldn’t include it.
Phoenix is crashing to earth and not getting any better.
Zero reason to trade those platinum assets
Don't want him.
Rather keep developing the young core now, draft Harper and 14 and trade Vassell for more frontline help.
Keep building with the high lottery draft picks and you will see a turnaround like OKC has done. They haven't made moves for aging veterans.
Spurs will get there in a couple of years without Durant.
Don't want a player who is a team jumper who has taken two other teams down the drain, Brooklyn and Phoenix have done nothing with a younger Durant.
I keep saying it because it's true.
Durant wants:
1. An extension
2. No income tax state
And probably
3. Warm weather
Durant also apprently wanted to go the Knicks. They have income tax and cold weather
I think that is a bit exaggerated, when trading a player it's rare to send him entirely into cap space / exception, usually getting back matching expirings is considered neutral, not negative. Here Cole Anthony is expiring (has a team option 2nd year which will surely be declined), and KCP has a 2nd year that is player option at 21.6 million, he probably picks it up but if they can play him in a smaller role where he can regain his effectiveness then he's probably overpaid but playable, and he might in turn be sent as neutral filler in a year. So I'd say it's probably something similar to eating one year 12 million or so and the estimation of 1 FRP + 1 swap sounds like too much, especially not unprotected picks and even less with swaps attached, like Orlando's 26 FRP. I'd say the cost of this is probably closer to the swap they sent, making the price for Bane himself closer to 4 FRP flat, maybe a bit less, but still significant.
It's not that Cold.
Not sure I believe that. Dude's after his money.
Anytime the Knicks have been mentioned in connection with Durant I’ve just assumed it’s for clicks and not based in reality
KD's camp using The Athletic to push the Spurs is wild. 2 years in a row they've done this for the Spurs now. These types of things never used to happen for us. What a time to be alive tbh.
Where is TIMVP with the insiders information of the Spurs offer?
I would also argue that they get extra value for Bane cause they can loan him out to Universal Orlando Jurassic Park during the off-season.Not so much geared towards you, ex, but you provide a good launching pad for this discussion.
Vecenie did a pretty thorough breakdown on the Bane trade on the most recent Game Theory Podcast, and I tend to agree with the valuation they came up with. KCP and Anthony were both upside down to the tune of what they estimate to be 1 FRP and 1 swap. So Bane essentially is worth 3 FRPs in this deal. We could also get into expected pick quality, as that is also a factor, but let's just leave it at that. There is also the matter of a pretty unique fit for Bane in what ORL is trying to do, which could drive some of their overpaying, but let's leave that aside as well.
So does Bane being worth 3 FRP give us some insight into what Vassell might be worth?
One consideration is something Sam and Brice discussed in the pod - the NBA seems to be sending clear messages through recent trade activity that there is a HIGH value placed on off-the-ball scorers who are positive defenders. See Bridges and now Bane. Less value placed upon non-defenders who need the ball in their hands more (see Ingram). If you are comparing Vassell to Bane or BI, he more closely resembles BI on the court than he does Bane (and to be clear, BI is still a better player on the court than Devin by almost every available perspective, except he's older and more expensive which is certainly a consideration).
I don't know where I'd rank him, but Vecenie and Brice claim Bane is a Top-6 3P shooter in the league, in a tier right behind Steph. Vassell is, at best, a slightly above average 3P shooter if we give him the benefit of the doubt on injuries impacting his %s (I believe he's only finished above league average from 3 once in his career, but I'd need to double check that).
There's a quite a bit of a drop off from Bane to Vassell. Especially when we consider the defensive end. Bane is a positive defender whereas Devin is a sieve. With that said, I would say that in light of the Bane deal, the Spurs *should* be able to convincingly value Devin at 1 FRP of similar quality to those in the Bane deal.
I don’t get it. What did Shams want to say?
Gentlemen, if we dont get Durant, what are the next most viable moves to strengthen our roster?
All this Durant talk is stressing me out, hoho
I think the implication is that Shams wanted to say, "yes" as in "yes that's why he'll be a Spur"??? He seemed to be nodding, but these guys have people in their earpieces giving them directions or notes or whatever at all times, any particular look or body language could be a response to a producer telling him when he'll speak next or the until commercial, etc
I’m not entirely sure either. I found Shumpert’s response more interesting, but he might be click baiting
Could be clickbait but his reposts on X imply he knows Shams is withholding info about KD to Spurs. I’ve seen people say Shams and Ishbia are friends so he might be biting his tongue on some things to help him out.
But it’s ing humid
“Duncan is a cuck”
IMO HOU still has best offer - Green likely has more value than Vassell and pick 10 > pick 14. If HOU can re-route Green to a team that values him (say BKY) and get more assets to send to PHX then I think HOU makes most sense.
Would BKY do: Cam + Claxton + 27 for Green + 3 2nds? If so PHX Gets: Cam + Claxton + 10 + 27, HOU Gets: KD and BKY Gets: Jalen Green + 3 2nds
Not sure Jalens value - that’s probably the fulcrum here.
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