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Except Rockets need to send out more salary to make it work. So it’s some of their young guys, or FVV. And trading the latter is risky since he’s their only PG unless they think Reed is ready. They’re kinda in a bind.
So the offers on the table right now are:
Heat - Wiggins, Robinson, #20 and #29
Rockets - Green, #10
Spurs - Vassell, Barnes, #14, and 2nd round picks
TWolves - Gobert, DiVicenzo, Dillingham
Raptors - Poeltl, Barrett, #9
Except Rockets need to send out more salary to make it work. So it’s some of their young guys, or FVV. And trading the latter is risky since he’s their only PG unless they think Reed is ready. They’re kinda in a bind.
For the sake of whataboutism, let's explore some completely unrealistic scenarios.
Suns obviously want the Timberwolves Gobert/Divincenzo offer, maybe with Dillingham or a FRP added, but KD doesn't want to go there.
Spurs would like KD for a reasonable combination of Devin/Keldon/Barnes/Branham/Wesley/#14 with another pick included if Devin stays.
The quesiton is what would Minnesota want in order to make it a 4 team trade? I don't see our offer moving the needle for them, but I think they wouldn't mind replacing Divincenzo and Gobert with Cam Johnson and Claxton.
Raptors package of Barrett and Poeltl would also be good for Minnesota, but Raptors don't want our garbage.
Unrealistic, expanded trade:
Spurs:
KD
Suns:
Gobert
Divincenzo
Dillingham
Timberwolves:
Claxton
Cam Johnson
salary filler
Nets:
Keldon
Barnes
Branham
Wesley
#14
'27 ATL
Nets would value the #14 because they have #8, #19, #26, #27 and want to move up. Could easily get even #3 if they want to and still have multiple FRPs in this draft.
If we don't get him then I hope Minnesota or Toronto does. The return from either of those probably keeps them pushing for a play-in thereby making the picks Houston holds less valuable. Also, a better Toronto team helps our Atlanta picks.
Brain may be playing this on perfectly.
Green and a sign and trade of the #10 pick on July 1st should get them pretty close since Green's salary goes up to $33.3 million on July 1st
Last edited by baseline bum; 06-18-2025 at 09:18 AM.
This will keep going on until draft day. SUNS are serious about trying to extract value from a team. All these new offers are probably just bs but they are trying to slowly force teams to increase their offers. The real final offers will come in draft day no doubt. Someone will bite.Not sure I’m buying that Toronto has indeed offered that package. If they did, then Phoenix would’ve jumped all over it IMO. That would be a hefty price to pay for a 1 year rental knowing KD has no intentions of extending, not to mention it’s hard to imagine Toronto really thinks they could contend next year even if it did go through.
Seems like more of the same…reports being leaked to try and get teams like Miami/Houston/SA to increase their offers. Wish Phoenix would just stop ing around take whatever their best real offer is
He's basically said he doesn't want to be in Minnesota, so I think that message has been delivered.
The question is whether the Wolves want to pull a Toronto and hope for one shot at the ring...but their team also looks massively different without Rudy and Donte. Not sure if it's really much of an an improvement at that point. Especially in the loaded West.
I sort of like the idea of getting in on that raptors trade:
we could take Barrett and send Barnes (expiring) to suns and maybe like 4-5 seconds (to replenish their 2nds cache).
Barrett would be a nice consolation prize at least
Unfortunately it’s feeling that way…at this point it does seem like this will get dragged out until next week. Hopefully we’re wrong.
The real offers are on the table now. No one is paying anything for a 37 YO rental who doesn’t want to be on your team. All this is just theater to convince the fan base that they tried.
If I’m Minny I’m not offering Gobert at all. I know he sucks offensively as all get out but that team would be gawd awful on defense with Randle and KD as your big men.
I don’t want KD on our team really bc I don’t want to extend him. I also don’t like malcontents on the team and Durant is a moody mofo. But if he tanks his trade value for us then that would be nice if all it took was Vassell and Barnes and the 14.
I have no idea why Miami or Toronto even wants him. He can’t carry the franchise and both teams would need him to do so.
Houston is going to offer the farm and the house next offseason for Booker after the Suns finish 13th in the west
I hated him ever since the 2012 playoffs. I felt we could have won that one if it wasn't for all those touch fouls and what, to me, looked like an agenda from the NBA to make it an OKC vs. Heat finals and start a new rivalry between KD & LeBron. 2016, we had a real chance there too, but like you said, no guarantee of beating the Warriors that year if we did beat OKC. 2012, though, I think OKC got skull-f#cked in the finals because, well, they shouldn't have been there in the first place. I also don't like that he picked the Warriors in 2016 over the Spurs.
The 2017 Warriors series, we'll never know how that would have ended if Kawhi didn't get hurt, so I can't comment on that one too much as it was only one game (based on the form/very high level the Spurs were playing at as a team going into that series, though, I think they had a chance).
I'm starting to agree with your stance of not really wanting him if it costs more than what you've just mentioned. If the Spurs did get him and he got close to a max extension, I feel he owes us 1 or 2 Championships. I'd forget about all the previous stuff if the Spurs won 1-2 rings with him on the team playing a role in it, or even if he teaches players like Victor enough and the Spurs eventually win a few after he's gone, I'd let some of my hate towards him go.
I always wonder if Kawhi also felt similar about it and that being a reason why he didn't go to the player pitch when they were recruiting him. I know the story was Kawhi was busy with a baby on the way, but I think Kawhi didn't really like him for the "system player" comments and the series the Spurs played against OKC up to that point.
Preach brother, preach
I don't think they'd be keeping Randle if they get KD.
Gobert has to go because they can't get any better with him, he's just too limited and gets exploited in the playoffs.
Suns are the only sucker that would take him as a positive asset.
Timberwolves would then probably try to find a S&T partner for Randle in order to get a better big. Or they'd just let Randle walk.
Masai is another delusional GM and he thinks Raptors can compete with KD.I have no idea why Miami or Toronto even wants him. He can’t carry the franchise and both teams would need him to do so.
Miami is trying to lowball the Suns with the worst offer out any interested party. Riley also never tanks and they got Herro/Bam which aren't that good, but prevent them from tanking in horrible East.
I mean it makes sense to upgrade at center. And it makes sense to move on from Gobert. I’m not against that at all. I’m just saying you can’t trade KD for Gobert. Tbh there aren’t that many good big men out there that really cover Minnys weaknesses. If I was Minny, I’d go after JJJ. I think him and Ant going forward would be a great pairing.
Tbh I don’t really know how the west is going to be after next season. There are so many wild cards out there. Like OKC could legitimately run the table for the next 2 seasons in the West. And there are so many teams that are close to blowing it up after this coming season. Like would it surprise you to see any of these teams to make huge changes to their roster next year:
Suns
Memphis
Dallas
NOP
Kings
Clips
Denver
The Spurs I believe need to be patient this offseason.
The more I’m thinking about it, the more I’m leaning against this trade. In fact, I would make going after Sochan my priority with a team friendly deal. I would extend him this year and show him that we believe and have faith in Sochan. Bc if Sochan works out, we don’t really need KD.
And if Sochan doesn’t really work out, then we could include him in a trade package for a better player. The West is about to be all outta whack after this season. Major changes are coming for pretty much every team once OKC wins the west again. We shouldn’t be buyers this season. If anything we need to be sellers. And get more picks bc pretty soon the wild Wild West is going to have big time names available.
Call me Nostradamus.
I respect your hustle and wish I could offer more help… but since I’m only neutral on KD.. this is the best I can do. I am rooting for you though!I'm working on it man. Need some support
Nice counterapproach to what a lot of people here are thinking. I mean, that is why I don't want to waste too many assets for KD, but even without wasting many assets, I assume his salary is going to stop the Spurs from being able to be buyers if some of those big names might become available in 2026 onwards, so the Spurs would have to pass on him now if they want to be a buyer then. Some outlets have suggested they might be looking at that approach with the timeline comments I read about the Spurs looking/waiting for something that might be more in their timeline, but don't know if that is just posturing.
Again, personally, I just want him for what I believe he can teach Victor. I think he can actually teach Victor some things and really help him out on the offensive side of the ball. If there wasn't a player on the team I thought he could legitimately teach something to help them become one of the all-time greats, I don't think I'd want him on the team just for his play only. Then as a secondary reason, he's such a great shooter, he really could be a great pressure release valve for the young players we have that aren't quite great shooters yet. Steph, Fox, Dylan can all drive in and it would be great to have someone like KD to kick it out to if they have to.
Last edited by Ice009; 06-18-2025 at 11:42 AM.
How could KD shoot the deal down himself? If he refuses to sign an extension with the Wolves it won't matter what other teams they try to pull into the trade.
That's how he shot it down...he refused to sign..
They're reivisiting and having him reject them again?
lolololol
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