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    Well then, best of luck to him in trying to find a team that's going to offer him 120/2 at 39.
    Especially since Spurs would have no need to take a bad return in a potential S&T.

    If Spurs are a top contender in 26-27 season, I think he'll take at least some discount to keep it going.
    Durant's not signing a 1+1 with the plus one a team option.

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    People need to come off that Durant . It's a stupid idea and he's old as and would us financially.

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    One thing though bro. I'm no actor. I'm a truth teller. What you see is what you get. And I don't appreciate the Jonah Hill comparison just cuz I'm fat right now.

    The truth is, I can be an Angel. And I can be a beast.

    I choose Angel. But don't miss me off by hurting my friends or family. Insult me? That's fine. I can take it. It would be nice if you could be funny while doing it. Then we can all have a good laugh. But you're no mouse bro. He gets a pass for life to make fun of me. He's my brother and I love him. I wish he would show up. I miss him alot. I don't smoke weed anymore like we used to, but we'd still have laughs...

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    People need to come off that Durant . It's a stupid idea and he's old as and would us financially.
    and yet the Spurs want him and will trade for him. You can cry then

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    1. Vecenie is a draft guy, why would he have any sources as to what Fox is asking? And this is the same Fox that wanted to stay in Sacramento if he would have been supermax eligible, but now he's taking a paycut and only a three year deal? Not buying either part of that.

    2. Durant has already floated he wants a two year $120 million extension out to the media.

    3. Even if he doesn't ask for max frontloading only changes things maybe $3 to $5 million each way.
    Durant didn’t float nothing around. The media people just said what the max of what he‘s eligible for is. There‘s a difference

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    Vecenie seemed unaware that Fox can sign a 4/229 extension after august 3rd. He’s awesome as a draft guy but not necessarily a cap guy.

    The only reason for Fox to sign a 3 year deal would be to have an out after the second year and be eligible for a 35% max, having 10+ years of experience.

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    Vecenie seemed unaware that Fox can sign a 4/229 extension after august 3rd. He’s awesome as a draft guy but not necessarily a cap guy.

    The only reason for Fox to sign a 3 year deal would be to have an out after the second year and be eligible for a 35% max, having 10+ years of experience.
    So if Fox signed a 4 year deal, that sounds like he'd be doing the Spurs a favour salary wise? What percentage are the raises for the 4 year deal?

    Also, I don't think Durant would sign a !+1 and then a two year deal to retire on that 4th year. He might want to play a lot longer. On Gil's Arena (I watch it some sometimes depending on what they're discussing- I know they don't really have super serious discussions and some of it is downright silly), but they bought up a good point about KD. Some of the guys mentioned that people might start saying he's washed up if he averages less than 25ppg, but really, that would still be better than 99% of players his age have ever done. He could probably still play 5 years and average over 20ppg if his body holds up which would still be darn good, but just not up to his own usual standards. Since KD is a hooper, I doubt he'd want to retire in 3 years if he's still averaging over 20ppg and is healthy.

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    So if Fox signed a 4 year deal, that sounds like he'd be doing the Spurs a favour salary wise? What percentage are the raises for the 4 year deal?
    Fox can sign for 30% of the cap, with 8% increases. In terms of percentage of the cap his contract will go down because the cap is expected to rise by 10% per year.

    This isn’t a favour to the Spurs, it’s his max. It would be a favour if he decides to give up a little bit and sign off of, say 27% instead of 30% but he has no incentive to do so. It’d look bad if he gives the Spurs a discount and then they trade him in a couple of years.

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    Fox can sign for 30% of the cap, with 8% increases. In terms of percentage of the cap his contract will go down because the cap is expected to rise by 10% per year.

    This isn’t a favour to the Spurs, it’s his max. It would be a favour if he decides to give up a little bit and sign off of, say 27% instead of 30% but he has no incentive to do so. It’d look bad if he gives the Spurs a discount and then they trade him in a couple of years.
    The favor is that he signs four years at 30%,instead of 2 @30% and then opts out and signs for two at his 10 year rate of 35%.

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    The favor is that he signs four years at 30%,instead of 2 @30% and then opts out and signs for two at his 10 year rate of 35%.
    Yeah but it seems highly unlikely that he’s a 35% max guy. He bolted from Sacramento the moment he realised this isn’t going to be possible. Seems like a nice guy with enough self awareness, we’ll see.

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    Jonah is no longer fat. I used the ‘Jonah is excited’ meme, because you often are.
    You'd man Ex! I understand now. Yes. You have a point. I'm high on life with Jesus by my side.

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    What Exstatic said is what I meant. But what you said also makes sense.

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    Vecenie seemed unaware that Fox can sign a 4/229 extension after august 3rd. He’s awesome as a draft guy but not necessarily a cap guy.

    The only reason for Fox to sign a 3 year deal would be to have an out after the second year and be eligible for a 35% max, having 10+ years of experience.
    yea that was my calculation too. That's 51/55/59/64. I really hope we can get some type of discount here and flatten the raises tbh.

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    Vecenie seemed unaware that Fox can sign a 4/229 extension after august 3rd. He’s awesome as a draft guy but not necessarily a cap guy.

    The only reason for Fox to sign a 3 year deal would be to have an out after the second year and be eligible for a 35% max, having 10+ years of experience.
    he's also been referencing the "minnesota pick" in a few recent pods even though that went out for Fox

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    The favor is that he signs four years at 30%,instead of 2 @30% and then opts out and signs for two at his 10 year rate of 35%.
    It's only a favor if paying him 35% of the cap was ever an option, which I don't think is the case. Fox should take that 4 year extension and be happy.

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    and yet the Spurs want him and will trade for him. You can cry then
    Maybe when the Durant thread gets to some magical number of pages and he still isn't here yall will realize it's not happening.

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    the 27/28 cap situation hinges on the amount of the extensions. The max Wemby will command is 56 million. Vecenie mentioned that Fox' extension would be 140/3 which is like 47 million per year and is great value. I actually expected it to start at 51 million and go up.

    KD will take a discount. He's not getting 60 million in that year. If he signs a 1+1 he could actually opt out and the Spurs could give him a 2-year deal with the last year being partially guaranteed. He can then retire after 1 year and get a couple millions the year after. Spurs did something like that with Manu when he retired.

    Sochan's extension also depends on the price, if we indeed keep him. People say 33/3 would be fair, but it could easily be 70/4. All depends on what they negotiate.

    Then there's the whole thing with frontloading salaries and have declining contracts. The Spurs have so much flexibility that I'm not worried about those things at all.
    I'm a huge Vecenie fan, but he was off base about Fox's extension. He was looking at what Fox was eligible to extend for today, not looking at what he can extend for starting Aug 2.

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    My hope is that Fox's would agree to a 3+1 (Player Option) with the first two years being max 30% with max 8% raise, then the last two years being max declines. I think this comes out to somewhere around 4/205. The idea would be that it gives the Spurs a little more flexibility in Fox's 3rd year of the extension when other extensions will be kicking in, and Fox gets the ability to opt out and renegotiate if he's still performing at a high level.

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    My hope is that Fox's would agree to a 3+1 (Player Option) with the first two years being max 30% with max 8% raise, then the last two years being max declines. I think this comes out to somewhere around 4/205. The idea would be that it gives the Spurs a little more flexibility in Fox's 3rd year of the extension when other extensions will be kicking in, and Fox gets the ability to opt out and renegotiate if he's still performing at a high level.
    I think getting KD would actually be a good selling point for him to give the Spurs a discount. Dude asked the Kings for 8 years to bring in a wing player and the Spurs get him KD within months. That gotta be worth something.

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    I think getting KD would actually be a good selling point for him to give the Spurs a discount. Dude asked the Kings for 8 years to bring in a wing player and the Spurs get him KD within months. That gotta be worth something.
    yeah if you're going to ask a player to take a discount, you have to justify it with something concrete. the spurs did so with duncan/manu in the summer they were bringing in Aldridge (but they still have kawhi his max, as deserved). duncan and manu were also in the limelights of their careers, so...

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    There are then questions about Nickeil Alexander-Walker's future with the organization, one that continues to look murky. Alexander-Walker is expected to receive plenty of interest from teams with their full mid-level exception available in free agency, and his price range is beginning to elevate to the point where Minnesota won't be able to afford him and remain under the tax aprons. Keep an eye on the Timberwolves getting creative and potentially finding a sign-and-trade involving Alexander-Walker.
    The Bulls and Atlanta Hawks are two Eastern Conference teams labeled as potential destinations for Alexander-Walker, and sources recently named the Spurs as a Western Conference rival that has recently expressed interest in the Timberwolves shooting guard. Before trading for Desmond Bane, the Orlando Magic were named a potential suitor for Alexander-Walker by Michael Scotto of HoopsHype.

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    Nickeil Alexander-Walker will have heaps of MLE offers.

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    Nickeil Alexander-Walker will have heaps of MLE offers.
    Hopefully, we are one of those..

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    Nickeil Alexander-Walker will have heaps of MLE offers.
    But not teams with defensive centerpieces as dominant as Wemby. That's our slight advantage at least.

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