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I don’t know how this would even work. But rumblings they will go for Giannis too if he asks out.
How exactly did you come to this conclusion?
His counting stats are nothing special and pretty horrific when it comes to shooting
He has some above average isolated defensive stats but I think those stats in general are flawed because it's hard to determine who get's "credit" for isolated defense . For example a guy shoots and Devin, Wemby, and Sochan all put their hands up to close out. He misses. Only one of the 3 can get credit for the "isolated defense".
He is only a decent passer on a short roll to the rim, but how many times are we even in a position to give him the ball in that position? Not much.
To me, the main reason why I don't like Sochan and want him off the team is that his guy is never actually playing any man to man defense on him and just constantly roaming around and pre rotating on defense, the main reason why we are toward the bottom of the league in open 3's for 3 years, which is consequentially how long Sochan has been on this team.
I don't see how anyone can like tweener forwards who can't shoot, pass, defend, and that's exactly what Sochan is.
I have no idea where people get this idea that he is a good defender from. Almost all of our worst defensive lineups have sochan at the 4. Not going to dock him for the ones at the 5 though cause he should never play the 5.
Then again I don't think he has any trade value at all. Nobody wants a tweener forward who can't do anything. You'd have to attach a pick to get rid of him.
I don’t know how this would even work. But rumblings they will go for Giannis too if he asks out.
Before we got #2, I thought that 6th man scorer was Devin's role to relevance. But now that's gone.
Keldon's role is also gone because too many better players need the ball and Keldon isn't that useful without it.
Jeremy will be a non-factor in serious games as long as he can't shoot.
It's been years since a wing non-shooter role player has managed to stay on the floor in the playoffs.
Especially one with no playmaking skills.
RC_Drunkford and his sources
Role players are good to have off the bench, guys who aren't always the most consistent but can come up from game to game.
J-Will for the Thunder is looking like a really high grade role player to me, at least right now. He plays extremely well at home, but struggles elsewhere. A star needs to turn it on nearly every game.
Keldon and Vassell are solid role players. They'd be good on nearly any team. The problem is how much they make per year, but that's a different concern.
Seriously, this is where SpursTalk gets really, really ty and stupid. Not you, but throughout. This desperation to move on from players who are fine. (Again - Vassell's contract is too long, so that matters.) Bringing these guys off the bench is going to be fine, if they don't get moved. They're players we will need.
Sochan is a different issue. Most of this board is entirely wrong about Sochan. Not a surprise, they still hate him for being forced to play point guard. He was really good this season before injuries started hitting him.
Booker isn’t a specialist and went to the finals as a #1
If Castle is a 3 (and I'll resume my campaign that Castle is a 3), then I think the 6th man role is still there for Devin. But this is dependent upon Castle's shot improving, Harper being an average-or-better shooter and the Spurs starting a 4 who can shoot.
Keldon, we absolutely agree because Devin and Keldon should never share the court with one another. Keldon may be able to have a 6th man role if you do the same thing where Castle is your 3 but Devin is gone... but for the most part we're on the same page.
Sochan can be a significant role player as the 7th man so long as his extension is right-sized for that role (4/60 being the max for that, IMO). It doesn't make sense for Sochan to get paid like a future starter because 1) he hasn't proven he can be that and 2) no other team in the league would offer him that. I'm still hoping we just let Sochan play out this year and be an RFA next year.
So... I think there is room for 2 of these guys to stay... but expectations need to be realigned for their roles. I just don't see a path for any of them to be a starter (except for Sochan, but that would require a drastic improvement of his shot that I'm not a believer in, no matter how many shooting workout videos get posted).
Good deal for Houston and Phoenix saved some face coz 6 picks make it sound ok. If they hit with #10 and Green nets them another high first (or makes it look like he is boarderline all star again) it may even be a good deal for both sides.
Overall I'm just glad, we are not overpaying. The 122mio extention will hit Houston and I wouldn't have liked to see the Spurs giving that out.
The issue is that Devin won't ever be seen as an inconsistent role player as long as he's with the Spurs.
He'll have guaranteed 30mpg no matter what.
He went straight back into the starting lineup this season, even though we were playing good basketball while he was out.
Yes, he'd do well at OKC as an 8th or 9th man, but the issue is that we need 5th/6th/7th man who are consistent performers and fit the team.
We have a real possibility to make this roster really difficult to deal with considering the size Castle and Harper have, but we won't do it unless we get a couple more 6'8-6'10 forwards who can shoot the ball reliably well.
If we keep Devin, Castle won't see any guard minutes and then he'll go from a player who has an advantageous matchup on offense almost every time to a player who will have to battle physical wings because Devin certainly can't do it.
I'd genuinely like to hear how would you incorporate Sochan into lineups with two guards who aren't good shooters without making our offense look like something staright from 1979.
You can bank on him having miraculous jumpshot development, but I can't be a believer after him not improving it at all over 3 seasons played with no pressure whatsoever.
Saying he can’t shoot is foolishness. That’s what I was calling ARvW out on.
Suns folding?
Heard that one before
We’ll see how he does as a #1 now. My guess is about as good as he did when they tried after drafting him. Suns didn’t even make the playoffs until CP got there. I kinda consider him the #1 on that Finals team. Booker was an AS, but Paul was that, all NBA 2, and 4th in MVP voting.
Sengun + Jabari + Reed + 3 firsts
The Suns tried to leverage Spurs, Houston, Timberwolves against each other and everyone was like this is our offer take it or leave it Suns had no leverage on a 37 year old Durant
I see where you’re coming from. Makes sense.
The rockets 2027 draft assets will be coveted. They essentially will have 2 lottery picks for the most part. Suns 1st and a swap with the nets
Nets will tank for another season and then start competing.
Most cap space in the league, another high lottery pick and a solid free agency class.
It doesn't take much to be a play-in team in the East if you have no incentive to lose games.
An underrated aspect of this trade is doing it on the same day as game 7 of the nba finals. Perhaps planting a seed in the head of the Thunder that things may not be so easy moving forward. Gamesmanship at its finest.
It's simultaneously a bad return and probably about the best they Suns could do (hardcore fan always underestimates the value/movability of draft pedigreed, overpaid, empty calories bust types in star trades), but it's still more/easier to sell to the masses than the Spurs presumed package being bandied about.
Unfortunately, this was the best outcome for the Rockets, not having to part with Smith Jr. or even Whitmore. They now have a clean, sensible nine man rotation.
Not good for the Spurs on multiple counts, the other being the lack of an obvious alternative option (Porter Jr.?) to fill the gaping size/shooting hole they have a wing/forward.
Houston could be in a great position to add Giannis too.
Not really.
Giannis is definitely not getting traded this summer, regardless of the narratives some media personalities are trying to push.
Next year he'll be 32, but would still command a huge return just to join 38 year old KD.
Then what after KD retires?
Giannis and Amen is like the worst possible fit between two star players if Amen reaches that level.
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