ST has a long-running issue of trying to trade away bad players for value and avoid trading good ones. That's what is happening here, not folks talking down Vassell. A Devin worth two firsts would not be on the way out for Castle or Harper. There are plenty of minutes for them and Fox right now. A guy worth two firsts and who's locked up for four more years on a decreasing contract is a steal. Devin has to improve substantially to reach that point. I think he can do it, but if they want to move him this summer, they'd be lucky to get out of the deal without having to add picks.
I agree on Jones and Collins being good players, but at best they had neutral value last year and probably had negative considering the trade.
We went over it a couple of times and the general consensus was that Magic were the best fit for Devin.
But they got Bane.
Which team do you think could use Devin and is a good partner for the Spurs if we're talking assets we get in return? Even if it's a three team trade.
Jazz could use Vassell and no, not bc they are tanking.
Orlando was the cleanest fit in my view. The other is/was Cleveland, in my view, if they ever decided to break-up the Garland-Mitc backcourt. But not sure that's in the cards with the East being wide open next season.
How can anyone watch Haliburton go down and think we should sit comfortably with two ball handlers? Come on people, depth and multiple attacking guards is the way.
Spot on, and I'll add further to this, it has to be a team that could use Devin *and* is willing to PAY to acquire players (meaning they aren't in rebuild mode, because rebuilding teams aren't sending out picks for guys like Devin just like the Spurs weren't spending picks to trade for guys while they were rebuilding).
That eliminates about a third of the league. Devin could potentially be a nice addition for a playoff team who needs a boost of shooting/scoring... those are the kinds of teams that spend their draft capital to acquire guys. Like you mentioned, Orlando fit that description, but now they are off the table.
I could potentially see Memphis to replace Bane *if* they felt they could still make a playoff run (who knows what their current mindset is, since it sounds like they aren't planning on keeping Santi). Downgrading Bane to Vassell put picking up multiple FRPs to do so wouldn't be bad business, honestly... but what is MEM thinking?
Unless we can get a clean swap out for a forward, I think it makes most sense to see how Devin does in a 3&D role with improved talent around him and what we hope will be some good defensive coaching from our staff additions. I don't know that he'll necessarily become any more of a negative asset by the trade deadline, but there is a chance he either becomes a nice fit as a 3&D wing for us or he improves his trade value.
Dev's a horrible defender. He's gotten worse at defense as the years go by. Good shooter and not much else entering year six.
Blake and Bran combine for 0 core rotation minutes... wo while they aren't part of the logjam, removing them also doesn't do anything about the logjam.
So... the question remains... how does NAW fit on a team with the players I just mentioned? Where is he getting minutes from?
NAW doesn't make sense here with Devin still on the team. I just want forwards. John Collins, Santi Aldama, PJ Washington, Jake LaRavia. Get me 2 of those.
i think thats fair, and in one of the other threads i mentioned that while i like NAW, i would prefer Laravia for that very reason.
i think the "Castle is a SF" stuff has legs to it. you could easily have NAW and Castle play the 2/3 together. there are plenty of lineups where NAW himself can guard 3's, as long as they're not particularly burly ones. he has solid length, he's just skinny
Yep... that's what I was getting at. I like NAW a lot, but until some of the rest of our roster is cleared out I don't see how we could make him a priority FA signing.
I also really like Jake (and have been touting him as long as anyone on this site), but I'm a little concerned about how he fits as well unless we move out from some of Keldon/Champ/Vassell/Barnes. Jake isn't really a 3/4, he's more of a pure 3. The other 3 guys you mention all fit nicely at the 4 for us.
As much as we may not like it, we have to assume that if the Spurs are keeping the PoF around, it's to actually play them in significant - not just have them sit on the end of the bench.
I agree with this (and Castle is a SF, for the record)... but the role you are casting for NAW here is likely just played by Vassell so long as he is on the team, right?
the crazy thing is NAW would probably go for the MLE, which is half of Devin's contract
I want those forwards on 4-year deals as long term pieces. I think those contracts could be gold down the line with the cap going up every year.
Of course Barnes and Keldon gotta go, or at least one of them. The Branham's and Wesley's of the world can also be used to match salary. The reason I want LaRavia is cause he's cheap and you could just sign him with parts of the MLE.
Then you trade for John Collins, PJ or sign and trade for Aldama.
Yeah... Devin's contract looks worse and worse when you put him in the context of a non-starter. If he could be a high end 6th man, the contract isn't too bad but anything short of that... woof.the crazy thing is NAW would probably go for the MLE, which is half of Devin's contract
I want those forwards on 4-year deals as long term pieces. I think those contracts could be gold down the line with the cap going up every year.
If we're making smaller moves and not getting a legit wing, Barnes needs to stay.
Yeah, he's declining and is a bad defender, but he shot 6% better from 3pt than any other regular rotation player.
We can't afford to lose him unless we add two elite shooters, spacing would be completely ed.
I said it as soon as we got him, I see him as this team's Finley, I'd gladly keep him until he retires if he accepts a cheap extension.
With CP3 leaving, Barnes is the only true veteran on the roster and he's one of the better role models for young players in the league. His presence goes beyond his basketball ability.
We're probably not getting any older players, I don't think having soon-to-be 28 year old Fox as the oldest player is a good idea.
I'm fully in the trade Devin and sign NAW camp
NAW and Reid please. Jazz has a bunch of young, interesting players as well.
Yeah I‘d trade Keldon first. The thing is we‘re probably only going to get one forward then because Devin starts at SF, Jeremy and Barnes need bench minutes. So John Collins or Aldama can be the starting PF. Which is kinda stupid because you can sign LaRavia and Yabusele for nothing, but do you want to convince them to be third stringers?
I thought we were using the other thread for spurs offseason talk. Did i misread
I really hope we are not going for RJ Barrett. There were rumors about this a couple of weeks ago. Unless we could somehow trade up to 9…
You thinking RJ + 9 for Devin + 14?
Spurs had been linked to him, right?
You do this if there is a target in mind. Issue is I don’t have a sense of RJ’s game vis-a-vis Dev. Is Dev’s descending contract appealing to Toronto, who has cap issues?
No I‘m thinking Keldon, Branham and 14 for Barrett and 9.
Either Keldon or Barnes. Now Barrett has improved a lot on the Raptors and his stock still dropped. His 3-point shooting is ok. He‘s only shooting 35%, but on high volume. What worries me is the 63% FT shooting. He made huge leaps playmaking wise.
Raptors want to move him because they are only 9 million below the tax. Question is what is their asking price? It should be low, but I think we might have to throw in a future first.
This would be a way to grab Maluach.
I wouldn’t even hate this move. If we get Aldama or John Collins in another trade that would be a really nice 10-man rotation.
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