could see naz reid for them as well, though that may be too redundant with OO
That 26 swap could very well be worthless now
This helps are picks rather than hurt us. This guy is perpetuating injured and ATL moved a guy who actually produced nicely for them at the end of the season.
I just bought a lotto ticket today for the first time in over a year.
That 26 swap could be the greatest thing ever!
This summer will be huge for the Hawks. They have to decide whether to extend Trae. Do they want to pay him $229 million over 4 years? If they don't then they will be trading him. That's how the Spurs' draft capital will be maximized. It will likely take a year or 2 to transition.
Okay who’s up next? Are we hitting the bottom of the barrel yet? Can we start a thread for John Collins lol.
DJM was one of the last picks in the draft when we got him. He has barely played the last few years since being traded. If the best we get is the 14 pick and then mid-tier first round pick next year and likely a swap (I think we'll still be better, though not clear by how much), we still do just fine. That's a lot of value for DJM.
In general I agree. I was pro Durant and am even more pro-John Collins. Also pro-PJ. And pro-Brook Lopez with the MLE
But I wasn't crazy about Porzingis with that illness and injury history. Guy couldn't even score double digits once in the second round this year. He missed 12 if their 19 playoff games in their le run including 2 missed finals games. Maybe I'm just too conservative with injuries. I could see Porzingis taping himself together for a contract year like usual only to get a new deal and go back to falling apart once he gets paid
But the Spurs do need a fire under them to go get some players and that 27 Hawks pick won't be worth much if Ressler has decided to spend money for the first time in his life.
Funny you mention this cause I remember a podcast I was listening to a few years ago and they had some guy who is an actual nba agent talking about how nba free agency over the next 10 years would mostly disappear. He said teams hate free agency because it's the only way in which the player has all the control and can pit teams against each other. Said nba teams think it's the most volatile way to obtain a player cause you are constantly offering more or less than what you think some other team did but you really don't know cause obviously you can't call a team to confirm that they really offered 50 when you only offered 40. He said what all nba teams are going to start doing is just resigning the players they want to keep and never letting them hit free agency or they will just trade for the players they want and then get a year to work out a new contract with them and that really the only players who ever hit free agency would be the players nobody wanted. Looks like he was right and we are watching it play out in real time now.
It seems like even a moderately protected extra pick would have gotten it done on Durant. They might regret not doing that. The issue is Durant was a perfect fit. Now they shouldn't be offering the same package for another player. Guys like MPJ and Collins are fine, but not at the expense of a lotto pick. They shouldn't be the team that pays for Aldama or Hauser. This is a very good draft, and they actually need more young players with a future. It's okay to wait until the deadline to really be aggressive, but they should take advantage of the moveable contracts they have.
Four of them are garbage.crazy, brooklyn has FIVE first rounders now
I don't think any Spurs offer that didn't include #2 or Castle could have survived a Rockets counter offer if they wanted him enough. They have plenty of extra picks to throw in top and better player assets to add on also.
So I won't blame the Spurs for it not getting done, they didn't have the ammo to outgun Houston
I guess we won't know Houston's at ude for sure. They did have innately better assets outside of 2, but they also really seemed to resist giving up much for Durant. Maybe, if the Spurs had offered that extra pick, Houston easily beats it. Maybe, they don't. I won't "blame" the FO for not making the trade happen, because as you said, there are reasons to believe this was never going to get done if the Rockets wanted him badly enough. It's also possible that like with George last year that they might dodge a bullet by missing out. But I also think this could have been the move of the year. They are unlikely to have a trade with that talent-to-cost ratio for quite some time.
It's actually not because there is no guarantee that anything is offered at the deadline that moves the needle for you.
"san antonio, in the end, showed considerable interest in a trade for boston's kristap porzingis before atlanta emerged tuesday afternoon as the most determined suitor and eventual winner of the trade race" - marc stein
increasingly obvious that PATFO will not make any player trade unless they are the only team seriously interested.
hopefully this does not become a common theme this offseason. chances are any player worth acquiring via free agency or trade is going to have multiple serious suitors.
patience is merited but they're going to have to show some resolve to push through a deal at some point in the next few weeks or they'll end up with nobody worth having.
From my view, it actually is, because there's nothing left that would move the needle for the team now. That's sort of my whole point. I don't think guys like Cam and Collins are needle-movers. so they can wait until the deadline to see if there's someone worth using those picks on. It's not that they can't make smaller moves before then. It's that they should recognize that those are small moves and pay accordingly rather than convincing themselves that those are needle-moving moves.
On no planet would I have been okay with the Spurs giving up a first-rounder for Porzingas. At this point, the Spurs are bargain-shopping, and they can choose to pay premium prices for bargain players or let the dust settle before paying their actual cost. If they want an actual game-changer, It's looking like they'll have to wait. There are guys who might be able to provide similar benefits to what Durant could have offered, but they aren't available yet. The team has to wait for their teams to hit rough patches so they can become available, ala the Kings with Fox last year. Right now, I think they're in a bad leverage position compared to their average, because teams feel like the front office wants to make a big splash.
This already happened. With Kevin Durant himself. If they didn’t go for him (when KD highlighted and circled SA as a preferred destination), what makes you think they’ll do it with others?
I think maybe more accurately stated, PATFO will not make any player trade unless they are getting clear and obvious positive value. They definitely are not going to overpay in an acquisition (so it usually helps if there is no compe ion). While it means we may miss out on some players, I'd rather be the team that stays prudent with our assets versus the team who overpays on every deal.
I still think there is magic to be had by following the IND model of picking up undervalued guys who show promise. They got Nesmith as basically a throw-in on the Malcom Brodgon trade, and Obi Toppin for a couple of seconds. If you have a good pro scouting department (which, I'm not sure the Spurs do or not), you can really make a killing with these types of low key moves.
Funny the Spurs are going to be fielding a squad so young after a history of being the old guys in the gym.
I get the interest in Porzingus it doesn’t really impact the long game.
Don’t like this trade for either Atlanta or Brooklyn. Atlanta giving up a pick for an expiring, which also limits their options to trade up in the draft.. meh. Porzingis, if healthy, will make them better next season but it’s bad asset management as a whole.
Brooklyn I’ve no idea why they decided to use some of their cap space for this specific trade, netting them a 5th FRP in the same draft, which diminishes the value.
Boston obviously did fantastic talking the one team that could save them a ton of money into a trade. Nets should have demanded more value to play this game. This makes the Jrue trade more logical from Boston’s standpoint, not from Portland’s though, like at all.
Dumb FOs still exist. Spurs should call their friends in Sacramento and Chicago again.
amazing trade for atlanta, they basically got him salary dumped
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