Pick #38 - Strategies

[Ariel]

Spurs got Kings 2030 second round pick for #38. It's a fine return given Kings situation (even if it will change in the next 5 years).

There are 4 players left that can help Spurs: Raynaud, Fleming, Penda and Kalkbrenner.
Spurs could package 2 or 3 future second round picks to get one of them with a very early second round pick.
Will they do it and have 3 rookies next season? Likely no, but we'll see..

Yeah, I was saying the same thing in another thread. The bare minimum in the 31-35 range (where those guys likely go) is probably 2 picks, maybe 3 for 31. I'd give up 2 SRPs for any of them, 3 in Fleming's case.

[Vienna]

I don't understand why Spurs fans are upset that they traded the pick before the 1st round. this "oh, we need to wait to see who is falling" is naive. they were not going to use the pick, no matter what.

so, now you have to see it from the Pacers perspective. for them it did matter to already know last night, if they will have another 2nd round pick. it does matter regarding their strategies during last nicht.

so, the move did help the Pacers and it did not hurt the Spurs. I see it as a "do me a favor" thing. one day this will pay off for the Spurs, maybe already during the next weeks, when they need a team to help out facilitating some minor moves.

[mystargtr34]

I’d do 3 SRP’s for 31-33 to take one of Fleming, Kalkbrenner, Penda, Raynaud.

I agree Bruno is right these are the last 4 who have any value to me. Maybe Adou Thierro is the only other. Not interested in anyone else.

All 4’s and 5’s

[Vienna]

Spurs will have 12 player under contract, counting #2 and #14. they have decisions to make about bringing back 3 or 4 guys. they likely will be active in the FA market.

they just don't see another young player, who makes any sense in the current situation, no matter what his name is. they won't trade back into the 2nd round. end of story.

[venitian navigator]

Sorry but I disagree... When you have first round talent going in second round exactly in the roles you still have available, you go for it with all the reasonable resources possible... Imho that's the case for both Fleming and Raynoud... Being second rounders you can make contracts for having them in cost control for many years (a la Champagnie and Bassey way) and having four rookies doesn't change the balance of the team... On the contrary gives us a more than solid base to build upon in the long term. That's, always Imho, a once in a decade occasion not to lose... I would really really like have both of them drafted tonight...

[RC_Drunkford]

Sorry but I disagree... When you have first round talent going in second round exactly in the roles you still have available, you go for it with all the reasonable resources possible... Imho that's the case for both Fleming and Raynoud... Being second rounders you can make contracts for having them in cost control for many years (a la Champagnie and Bassey way) and having four rookies doesn't change the balance of the team... On the contrary gives us a more than solid base to build upon in the long term. That's, always Imho, a once in a decade occasion not to lose... I would really really like have both of them drafted tonight...

yeah especially cause we will need players on these type of contracts down the line with all the extensions coming up and maybe even trading for an All-Star. You just can't let that value slide. Besides Fleming, Kalkbrenner and Raynaud are older players and not freshmen. They should be able to produce right away.

[venitian navigator]

yeah especially cause we will need players on these type of contracts down the line with all the extensions coming up and maybe even trading for an All-Star. You just can't let that value slide. Besides Fleming, Kalkbrenner and Raynaud are older players and not freshmen. They should be able to produce right away.

That's right... Plus they both looks spurs character like, Fleming very humble (and 3 and d qualities as a strong PF player) and Raynoud with the Wemby connection (and him too with a decent 3 point skill...) ... Lots of reasons to draft them both

[John B]

That's right... Plus they both looks spurs character like, Fleming very humble (and 3 and d qualities as a strong PF player) and Raynoud with the Wemby connection (and him too with a decent 3 point skill...) ... Lots of reasons to draft them both

It’s not over until the fat lady sings. Spurs have plenty of future picks that they can trade for anyone of those players.

I like either Fleming or Reynaud.

[LeBowen]

Trade up possibilities:

#31 Timberwolves: They have no SRPs in '27 and '28, we also have their '26 SPR in a bunch of convoluted swaps. They're in a bad cap situation if Randle opts in and they want to extend Naz, I'm not sure they want another guaranteed contract. It should be easy to get the pick with a handful of SRPs.

#32 Celtics: I don't see them trading it away unless both Kornet and Horford already agreed to stay, they need bigs.

#33 and #34 Hornets: Traded away Mark Williams, they'll also probably get a big, but will they take 2 more rookies and make it 4 total? You never know with incompetent franchises, tbh.

#35 Sixers: Just 10 players on the roster and no cap space, they'll probably making the pick.

#36 Nets: They have all the future SRPs they need and Marks might just take another rookie for the memes.

#37 Pistons: Another roster with just 10 players and plenty of future SRPs.

I guess it's either the Timberwolves or the Hornets if we trade back into the second round.

[mystargtr34]

Looking at fanspo trade machine looks like the Spurs have 16 SRP’s from 2026-31 including the Sacramento 2030 they just got from Indiana.

2026 - 4
2027 - 1
2028 - 3
2029 - 3
2030 - 3
2031 - 2

[Vienna]

how many roster spots do the Spurs have? 30?
how many minutes is a game? 90?
how many minutes can you offer all thoses low cost can't miss contracts that you stockpile for the future?
and why do you stockpile those contracts this year, when you own about a hundred 2nd rounders in the next years?
plus a 1st rounder every year.

they don't see Fleming or Raynaud, or whoever is left, as part of the future. live with it. they did their shopping in the draft and now they move to the FA store or they do some trades.

and no, teams were not wrong when they passed on Fleming at 8 (remember, there was this idea to draft him at that spot before Spurs won #2), teams (Spurs in particular) were not wrong when they passed on him at 14 and teams were not wrong, when they didn't pick him in the 1st round at all.

[mystargtr34]

Trade up possibilities:

#31 Timberwolves: They have no SRPs in '27 and '28, we also have their '26 SPR in a bunch of convoluted swaps. They're in a bad cap situation if Randle opts in and they want to extend Naz, I'm not sure they want another guaranteed contract. It should be easy to get the pick with a handful of SRPs.

#32 Celtics: I don't see them trading it away unless both Kornet and Horford already agreed to stay, they need bigs.

#33 and #34 Hornets: Traded away Mark Williams, they'll also probably get a big, but will they take 2 more rookies and make it 4 total? You never know with incompetent franchises, tbh.

#35 Sixers: Just 10 players on the roster and no cap space, they'll probably making the pick.

#36 Nets: They have all the future SRPs they need and Marks might just take another rookie for the memes.

#37 Pistons: Another roster with just 10 players and plenty of future SRPs.

I guess it's either the Timberwolves or the Hornets if we trade back into the second round.

Agree with your analysis.

Minny at 31 or Charlotte at 34 seem the most gettable.

Spurs also own Wolves 2028 SRP according to fanspo. I’m sure they’d want that one back. The 2026 Jazz SRP is also very valuable likely to be 31-35. Add in any other one of the 16 and that should get it done.

[venitian navigator]

Frankly I don't understand this way of thinking... Spurs did not chose them simply because they were lucky enough to choose their preferred player at 14...but after that it's clear that both Fleming and Raynoud were legitimate players with middle of first round potential... Spurs didn't have more first round picks... Other teams had probably different needings... But it's for sure a surprise that both these players weren't drafted in the first round and their qualities are Imho mote than obvious... It's just a matter of having a very very deep draft once in a lifetime. And a lot of people were considering both of them as logical and comfortable choices if available for us. Imho it's just a wonderful opportunity to fill our roster with available good to very good players at a more than affordable price for our long and not so long term plans... Skills, tiles and character for both looks more than ideal and not only on paper...

[venitian navigator]

I was replying at Viennas post...

[Eaglenole2002]

Didn’t Brian Wright make some kind of reference to possibly picking in round 2 last night?

I understand that the second round is kind of the Wild West, but to trade it for a pick years down the line along with cash seems so dumb to me. The offer wasn’t an overwhelming one, so why not wait and see what drops? Surely there would have been an offer once the pick was closer to on the clock. He also said he tried to move up for Bryant last night. Would 38 have not been more helpful than a 2030 2? I don’t know. Just seems weird to jump the gun for such a little payoff.

[montgod]

Didn’t Brian Wright make some kind of reference to possibly picking in round 2 last night?

I understand that the second round is kind of the Wild West, but to trade it for a pick years down the line along with cash seems so dumb to me. The offer wasn’t an overwhelming one, so why not wait and see what drops? Surely there would have been an offer once the pick was closer to on the clock. He also said he tried to move up for Bryant last night. Would 38 have not been more helpful than a 2030 2? I don’t know. Just seems weird to jump the gun for such a little payoff.

Yeah it seemed like BW was leaning towards they could pick in the 2nd. Maybe there are some deals on the table with current players where 2nd round picks come back. That or maybe they already have a wink wink deal with a FA who they plan to sign

[John B]

Trade up possibilities:

#31 Timberwolves: They have no SRPs in '27 and '28, we also have their '26 SPR in a bunch of convoluted swaps. They're in a bad cap situation if Randle opts in and they want to extend Naz, I'm not sure they want another guaranteed contract. It should be easy to get the pick with a handful of SRPs.

#32 Celtics: I don't see them trading it away unless both Kornet and Horford already agreed to stay, they need bigs.

#33 and #34 Hornets: Traded away Mark Williams, they'll also probably get a big, but will they take 2 more rookies and make it 4 total? You never know with incompetent franchises, tbh.

#35 Sixers: Just 10 players on the roster and no cap space, they'll probably making the pick.

#36 Nets: They have all the future SRPs they need and Marks might just take another rookie for the memes.

#37 Pistons: Another roster with just 10 players and plenty of future SRPs.

I guess it's either the Timberwolves or the Hornets if we trade back into the second round.

Knowing the “tell” what the Spurs want, which is Reynaud or a backup big, could cost them.

That was a careless mistake tbh. Also the #13 Hawks pick traded to NO, would’ve been a perfect opportunity to trade back ATL pick, potentially grabbing Carter and Sorber in the process was a big opportunity missed.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Knowing the “tell” what the Spurs want, which is Reynaud or a backup big, could cost them.

That was a careless mistake tbh. Also the #13 Hawks pick traded to NO, would’ve been a perfect opportunity to trade back ATL pick, potentially grabbing Carter and Sorber in the process was a big opportunity missed.

The Atlanta swap is less valuable than what they got from NO. How is it a missed opportunity when it’s clearly impossible?

[BackHome]

Yeah, would love for the Spurs to move back in and pick Maxine or Fleming as we have a crap load of players leaving;

Mamu, Bassley, CP, Branham, Biymobo, Ingram, McLaughlin

[John B]

The Atlanta swap is less valuable than what they got from NO. How is it a missed opportunity when it’s clearly impossible?

I’m just saying the Hawks’ pick was open for a trade. What would’ve took to get it? ATL picks? Those are fast becoming garbage but not to Atlanta who’s still one Trae injury away.

[Ice009]

The Atlanta swap is less valuable than what they got from NO. How is it a missed opportunity when it’s clearly impossible?

It's in hindsight. Maybe the Hawks take that offer if the Spurs offered it before NO made their offer. Would have been sweet if then NO offered the Spurs the same deal for either 13 or 14.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I’m just saying the Hawks’ pick was open for a trade. What would’ve took to get it? ATL picks? Those are fast becoming garbage but not to Atlanta who’s still one Trae injury away.

NO offered pick 23 and an unprotected best of NO/Mil pick next year. there's no sensible offer from the Spurs that would have beaten that.

It's in hindsight. Maybe the Hawks take that offer if the Spurs offered it before NO made their offer. Would have been sweet if then NO offered the Spurs the same deal for either 13 or 14.

I would have definitely taken the NO offer for 14.

This made me think. It's a speculation obviously, but considering Portland took the Memphis deal, which is worse than the NO package, we can deduct they weren't offered that. However, it's very likely that the Bulls, who were expected to get a big, were offered the NO package and turned it down for Essengue, which gives us another layer of hilarity and incompetence.

[Ice009]

NO offered pick 23 and an unprotected best of NO/Mil pick next year. there's no sensible offer from the Spurs that would have beaten that.



I would have definitely taken the NO offer for 14.

This made me think. It's a speculation obviously, but considering Portland took the Memphis deal, which is worse than the NO package, we can deduct they weren't offered that. However, it's very likely that the Bulls, who were expected to get a big, were offered the NO package and turned it down for Essengue, which gives us another layer of hilarity and incompetence.

Yeah, you're right, Spurs couldn't have beaten that offer. Would have been good if it was offered for the 14 instead. If Chicago was offered that deal and they turned it down for Essengue, yeah, they F'd up that one.

[Bruno]

how many roster spots do the Spurs have? 30?
how many minutes is a game? 90?
how many minutes can you offer all thoses low cost can't miss contracts that you stockpile for the future?
and why do you stockpile those contracts this year, when you own about a hundred 2nd rounders in the next years?
plus a 1st rounder every year.

they don't see Fleming or Raynaud, or whoever is left, as part of the future. live with it. they did their shopping in the draft and now they move to the FA store or they do some trades.

and no, teams were not wrong when they passed on Fleming at 8 (remember, there was this idea to draft him at that spot before Spurs won #2), teams (Spurs in particular) were not wrong when they passed on him at 14 and teams were not wrong, when they didn't pick him in the 1st round at all.

I half agree with you on that. I think it would be difficult for Spurs to add Fleming to their roster given all the players they have at that spot.

For Raynaud/Kalkbrenner, there would be more room. Spurs only have 1 center under contract for next season with Wembanyama. Drafting Raynaud/Kalkbrenner and signing a cheap vet center as insurance would work.

[rascal]

Looking at fanspo trade machine looks like the Spurs have 16 SRP’s from 2026-31 including the Sacramento 2030 they just got from Indiana.

2026 - 4
2027 - 1
2028 - 3
2029 - 3
2030 - 3
2031 - 2

Spurs need to use and combine some of these picks to get a player who can make the roster and there are a couple of players in the second round this year that would be fits.

They still have roster needs at PF and C and there are players there in the early second round to fill the PF/C need.