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    I wonder if 32 is for sale if the Spurs can get Boston the rest of the salary relief they need. I'm not as convinced as some others that Hauser had positive value. Maybe Boston would do 32 and Hauser for a protected first from SA.

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    Technically, if Spurs think Raynaud, Kalkbrenner or Fleming are worth it, we can easily get that #31 by just giving Minnesota their '30 swap back.
    We'd still be left with best of SAS/DAL in '30 draft, I don't think it would be that bad of a deal. Minnesota just changed ownership, I can't see that pick getting us a top lottery talent.

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    The Fox-Castle-Harper trio is not going to be easy to figure out, and we know Fox already had trouble getting things to work with Halliburton. That max contract is going to be a headache, making it harder to make more moves or even to move Fox eventually. I fear that eventually it will be Castle that will have to go. But for now let's enjoy a constant three-pronged attack in whatever combos it comes.

    Bryant is a project. His minutes were astonishingly low for a lottery pick. Can he ramp up his production in more minutes? How will he handle greater responsibilities? He has a lot to clean up about defense alone, but I like his steal and block rate, activity level, his love for defense, he seems to have a shot, and his character is superlative.

    Very nice draft. The team isn't there yet, not at the moment nor going forward, but imo they're going to be fearsome to handle for a lot of teams.

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    I’m thinking they evaluated the talent, and decided that it tailed off well before 38.
    The problem with the trade wasn’t necessarily the value it was the premature nature of it

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    I dont think they will have one of the targets they would like fall to 38 so its moot.

    Using some of the 14 million second round picks to strategically go get someone would be smart.

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    The Fox-Castle-Harper trio is not going to be easy to figure out, and we know Fox already had trouble getting things to work with Halliburton. That max contract is going to be a headache, making it harder to make more moves or even to move Fox eventually. I fear that eventually it will be Castle that will have to go. But for now let's enjoy a constant three-pronged attack in whatever combos it comes.
    I'm not sure Castle will earn a max extension with the reduced role making cap situation easier to deal with.

    As for Fox, this will be his age 28 season and the last of his current contract.
    Him taking a 3+1 deal, opting out and giving us some discount after that would be ideal. That will be the summer when Harper's extension kicks in.
    Fox will be turning 32 and will know that Spurs won't hesitate to trade him if Harper is the real deal unless he helps us with the cap situation.

    I'm sure that everything will fall in place as long as Wemby is healthy and we're a top contender.

    Bryant is a project. His minutes were astonishingly low for a lottery pick. Can he ramp up his production in more minutes? How will he handle greater responsibilities? He has a lot to clean up about defense alone, but I like his steal and block rate, activity level, his love for defense, he seems to have a shot, and his character is superlative.
    Would it be optimistic to say that he's already the third best defender on the team after Sochan and Castle?
    If his corner 3pt is reliable, he'll have an easy time finding minutes. His growth after that will determine where he ends up in the rotation in a few years. Could be anywhere from a starting wing to 10th man.

    Very nice draft. The team isn't there yet, not at the moment nor going forward, but imo they're going to be fearsome to handle for a lot of teams.
    I'm actually really optimistic about the regular season because young teams tend to overperform and veteran teams coast.
    We could easily be next season's Rockets if we get a legit PF and backup C while shipping out a couple of players that outlived their purpose.

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    Still a bad move. They jumped the gun, could have waited until today to see what was still on the table. Even if they decided to trade it that pick is a lot more valuable today than it was yesterday.
    No, it’s not. There are 3 decent players left, and 8 picks until 38. They’d be lucky to find a taker that would swap a future pick with no cash involved.

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    Other teams will also be trying to move into the 31-34 range. Spurs will have to put up the most attractive offer to beat others and move into that range.

    Those 31-34 slots are going to be the most sought after picks of the round and the teams holding these picks know it.

    Is it worth trading a protected first to move into the 31-34 range if a package of 2nds isn't enough to move into the 31-34 range?

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    Technically, if Spurs think Raynaud, Kalkbrenner or Fleming are worth it, we can easily get that #31 by just giving Minnesota their '30 swap back.
    We'd still be left with best of SAS/DAL in '30 draft, I don't think it would be that bad of a deal. Minnesota just changed ownership, I can't see that pick getting us a top lottery talent.
    This may be able to get that 31 pick.

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    Is it worth trading a protected first to move into the 31-34 range if a package of 2nds isn't enough to move into the 31-34 range?
    We own swaps with both MIN and BOS.

    '28 BOS
    '30 SAS/DAL/MIN

    Easy to move up by effectively trading down in one of those drafts.
    I personally thinks Stevens is a top2 GM with Presti, there's no way Celtics aren't good in '28. That swap has very little value.
    Most of it's value is tied to Celtics' flexibility if they get it back.

    Minnesota one is more valuable, but they changed ownership and surely won't have a major meltdown. Not to mention we'd keep the Mavs swap which is still probably better because their veteran stars will be gone.

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    We own swaps with both MIN and BOS.

    '28 BOS
    '30 SAS/DAL/MIN

    Easy to move up by effectively trading down in one of those drafts.
    I personally thinks Stevens is a top2 GM with Presti, there's no way Celtics aren't good in '28. That swap has very little value.
    Most of it's value is tied to Celtics' flexibility if they get it back.

    Minnesota one is more valuable, but they changed ownership and surely won't have a major meltdown. Not to mention we'd keep the Mavs swap which is still probably better because their veteran stars will be gone.
    Boston will be tough to trade with. They need to fill some of their roster with young cheap talent and they have a chance here to grab a solid cheap player.

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    I'm of the opinion the Spurs don't need another rookie. They need vets. Experience. I'm fine w/ trading 38 but they certainly must get a stretch-4 backup C who can space the floor and hit 3s.

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    I wonder if 32 is for sale if the Spurs can get Boston the rest of the salary relief they need. I'm not as convinced as some others that Hauser had positive value. Maybe Boston would do 32 and Hauser for a protected first from SA.
    F that. We’ve got a ton of SRPs. Flip them a couple, and save our firsts.

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    Boston will be tough to trade with. They need to fill some of their roster with young cheap talent and they have a chance here to grab a solid cheap player.
    We can include Wesley<->Hauser swap in the deal if they want.

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    I'm of the opinion the Spurs don't need another rookie. They need vets. Experience. I'm fine w/ trading 38 but they certainly must get a stretch-4 backup C who can space the floor and hit 3s.
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    Landing Harper and Bryant is such an unexpected windfall and opportunity to be a transformative draft.

    Between free agency and trades now you can fill out the rest of your roster.

    For Castle and Fox the Spurs paid for those acquisitions.

    Harper and Bryant are just gifts.

    As for future picks and swaps we’ll see, not ready to write off the value of those.

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    I'm not sure Castle will earn a max extension with the reduced role making cap situation easier to deal with.

    As for Fox, this will be his age 28 season and the last of his current contract.
    Him taking a 3+1 deal, opting out and giving us some discount after that would be ideal. That will be the summer when Harper's extension kicks in.
    Fox will be turning 32 and will know that Spurs won't hesitate to trade him if Harper is the real deal unless he helps us with the cap situation.

    I'm sure that everything will fall in place as long as Wemby is healthy and we're a top contender.



    Would it be optimistic to say that he's already the third best defender on the team after Sochan and Castle?
    If his corner 3pt is reliable, he'll have an easy time finding minutes. His growth after that will determine where he ends up in the rotation in a few years. Could be anywhere from a starting wing to 10th man.



    I'm actually really optimistic about the regular season because young teams tend to overperform and veteran teams coast.
    We could easily be next season's Rockets if we get a legit PF and backup C while shipping out a couple of players that outlived their purpose.
    With the trio, my concerns are touches and egos, and I'm not necessary sure they're related. Touches to develop Harper properly and Castle to his own degree while maintaining what Fox is good at, which is being on-ball. I think this could be really difficult, but the Spurs have precedent for active, complex offenses. And then ego. At some point Castle may feel he can become the player he can become elsewhere, or Fox realizes the young guys are nipping at his heels. Castle wouldn't want to go into his mid-20s stuck behind other players, Fox wouldn't want to look at his 30s contracts stuck behind these other guys.

    Bryant looks like a really disruptive team defender but I think needs seasoning as an on-ball defender. I do think he'll get reps on the main team, but it'll be a growth thing. Balance this with needing a lot of offensive reps, so I think he may be back and forth to Austin to get the ball in his hands.

    Agree, if they can get some beef, this team is going to wreck a lot of teams. If Wemby is healthy, that guard corps could be nasty.

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    Landing Harper and Bryant is such an unexpected windfall and opportunity to be a transformative draft.

    Between free agency and trades now you can fill out the rest of your roster.

    For Castle and Fox the Spurs paid for those acquisitions.

    Harper and Bryant are just gifts.

    As for future picks and swaps we’ll see, not ready to write off the value of those.
    A day before last year's draft the team had Tre Jones and... that was basically it as far as ball-handling guards. Now they have Fox, Castle, and Harper.

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    F that. We’ve got a ton of SRPs. Flip them a couple, and save our firsts.
    I too like getting things without paying them.

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    A couple future SRPs and maybe cash for an early pick today?

    Spurs have a few of these in future drafts but don’t really seem to value them.

    Might as well get some value.

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    I too like getting things without paying them.
    Paying two for one is not not paying.

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    F that. We’ve got a ton of SRPs. Flip them a couple, and save our firsts.
    I'm not willing to give up a first to get Kalkbrenner, Raynaud or Fleming, but I'm OK with multiple seconds.

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    With Harper and CB already on the roster, will we have enough minutes to effectively develop a third rookie? An experienced, established center from free agency might be the route to go.

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    With Harper and CB already on the roster, will we have enough minutes to effectively develop a third rookie? An experienced, established center from free agency might be the route to go.
    Probably against team philosophy, but they took three rooks a few years ago -- although their timeline was very different then. I do think grabbing a rookie big and getting a veteran big in FA can work. The cost isn't very high, they start seeing what works right away, and they have the spots.

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