Spurs Bigs - who to target

[LeBowen]

TWolves should be picking Fleming if they keep the pick.

[vy65]

I don't see why not if Spurs rate him.
We need two bigs since Bassey and Biyombo are likely gone.

Raynaud or whoever else in the second round would be the third stringer.
We can't have just one big in games when Wemby sits.

I actually wouldn't mind getting one of overqualified backups with ~$20M a year salary because we don't want to overburden Wemby.
Claxton would be a great option, he'd enable us to keep playing at a high tempo when Wemby sits, we'd run most benches off the floor.

We get Raynaud or another young big to develop for a year or two and trade Claxton when he's up for an extension.

The way I see it is: if they were really looking to move into the early 30s, they wouldn't have sold 38 to IND. Keeping 38 would reduce the number of additional (SRP) draft compensation they would need to use to get to the low 30s.

You could say that they were keen on Fleming/Reynaud/Kalkbrenner/etc... and just didn't know that they'd fall into the second round. Somewhat fair. But they could have taken a wait-and-see approach and if those guys were gone in the first round, then they could have made the deal with IND. The fact that they sold 38 before the draft started is a strong signal they aren't planning on being active today.

[scott]

The way I see it is: if they were really looking to move into the early 30s, they wouldn't have sold 38 to IND. Keeping 38 would reduce the number of additional (SRP) draft compensation they would need to use to get to the low 30s.

You could say that they were keen on Fleming/Reynaud/Kalkbrenner/etc... and just didn't know that they'd fall into the second round. Somewhat fair. But they could have taken a wait-and-see approach and if those guys were gone in the first round, then they could have made the deal with IND. The fact that they sold 38 before the draft started is a strong signal they aren't planning on being active today.

The other way of looking at it is that 38 doesn't help you move up in the second round at all, because a team selling an early second doesn't want #38 either - they just want out.

So maybe the Spurs decided their probably wouldn't be anyone they like at 38, let's go ahead and get another SRP that a team might like better (because it kicks the can down the road) along with some cash, and if we have to buy into the high 30s, then we have another pick to do so with.

[palangi]

How about Keldon and a second round pick to Boston for Neemias Qeuta?

a solid back up center bring Bassey back as the third center.

trade some second round picks and Barnes to Charlotte for the 33rd pick and draft Reynaud who can play the 4 and 5.

sign Yabusele

Fox, Harper, Wesley
Castle, Vassell, Branham
Sochan, Champangie, Bryant
Yabusele, Raynaud, Mamu
Wemby, Queta, Bassey

[SpursFan86]

Lakers apparently targeting Kalkbrenner in the 2nd round which makes a lot of sense for them.

I really want Raynaud. Then target a vet big for the minimum or BAE in FA...let him and Raynaud battle it out for those backup C minutes.

[vy65]

The other way of looking at it is that 38 doesn't help you move up in the second round at all, because a team selling an early second doesn't want #38 either - they just want out.

So maybe the Spurs decided their probably wouldn't be anyone they like at 38, let's go ahead and get another SRP that a team might like better (because it kicks the can down the road) along with some cash, and if we have to buy into the high 30s, then we have another pick to do so with.

From your lips to Allah's ears habibi

[spurraider21]

The other way of looking at it is that 38 doesn't help you move up in the second round at all, because a team selling an early second doesn't want #38 either - they just want out.

So maybe the Spurs decided their probably wouldn't be anyone they like at 38, let's go ahead and get another SRP that a team might like better (because it kicks the can down the road) along with some cash, and if we have to buy into the high 30s, then we have another pick to do so with.

you son of a , im in

[Limguogolo]

It's likely that the Spurs were targeting Beringer with the pick 14 before seeing that Carter was available. Either they drafted a big and they lacked that 3&D, or they did the opposite. If the Wolves took Beringer, it is perhaps also because they were certain that Naz Reid will no longer be in MIN in October.

I didn't know Beringer. I must have seen him in the French youth team, but there were already a lot of players in front of him. Carter is excellent, but the Spurs missed an exceptional opportunity. A 7footer with such a combination of agility, speed, flexibility and strength is unreal. If Victor can reach this level of athleticism it would be perfect. Here we see the importance of allowing young people to try various sports very early. They develop bodily intelligence and a condition that can always be transmitted by changing sports. Victor must be aware of this, and this is what he said to explain his time in China.

Beringer moves around the floor like indoor football players half his size. He moves his feet and has the mobility and acceleration of a football or volleyball player. I can't wait to see the next battle between Victor against Gobert and Beringer...


I don't know if it's possible, but the Yabusele/Reid alliance would be ideal. I don't see how the Spurs could recover pick 31 or 32 for Maxime Raynaud.

It's time for once to take out the cash and see the big(s).

[spurraider21]

i'd move up for Fleming/Kalkbrenner/Raynaud in that order, and not much else

[poopbox]

It's kind of hard to say who they will and won't play at this moment. This coaching staff has never coached this team. I'm wondering if this is part of the reason they are not doing a real big shake up just yet. The first half of next season is going to tell us a lot.

Very good point. If Mitch is really allowed to be his own coach we basically have 3 brand new coaches, 1 head and 2 lead assistants. They probably legit do want to "see what we have" before deciding what changes to make.

[Trueblood]

I mean I don't even know what kind of big the spurs actually want

I think we all just assume it will be someone who is a rim protector because that is what they NEED but after listening to Brian Wright press conference after the draft I can't make heads or tails of what the Spurs are actually trying to do .

I think it's greater than a 0% chance that Bismack Biyombo picks up his phone in a week and has 3 missed calls from the Spurs

Not at all interested in the Spurs taking a big with a second round pick they NEVER play any of their second round picks not named Tre Jones

I don’t really think the spurs have a good grasp on what they need for Wemby. I just read this week about how he wants to have a solid center so he can slide into the 4 but he’s been with Gorbert and Zollins with meh results. The truth is both the French National team and the spurs learned that the team had the best results when he played the 5. If you’re going to move him to the 4 who would complement him? A three point shooting center to spread the floor? But if they’re a shooter their defense lacks. A defensive minded rebounding machine? Clogs up the paint and can’t shoot (which is already a problem for this team). I don’t have an answer and I don’t think they do either.

[T Park]

Did you watch Wrights press conference after the draft? Cause I walked away from that feeling like the spurs don't see backup center as some pressing need. More than a 0% chance you about to get some more Bi in your Yambo

Cause the spurs have always been forthright and outgoing about what they’ll do in offseasons

[poopbox]

POR and BKN are the two teams with too many centers on their roster… I think we should be paying attention there.

DaRon Sharpe is an RFA, but not BKN has too many C’s… maybe he’s an option?

Free agency hasn't even started and we already down to rationalizing the DaRon Sharpe's of the world

Ah man. This the type of desperation that usually don't hit until 3 or 4 days into free agency

I mean why not Noah Clowney

[T Park]

How about Keldon and a second round pick to Boston for Neemias Qeuta?

a solid back up center bring Bassey back as the third center.

trade some second round picks and Barnes to Charlotte for the 33rd pick and draft Reynaud who can play the 4 and 5.

sign Yabusele

Fox, Harper, Wesley
Castle, Vassell, Branham
Sochan, Champangie, Bryant
Yabusele, Raynaud, Mamu
Wemby, Queta, Bassey

Why would you trade Barnes for a second round pick ������

[poopbox]

Cause the spurs have always been forthright and outgoing about what they’ll do in offseasons

Trick question. The Spurs don't do anything in the offseason.

[poopbox]

So I like finding a way to get back to the top of the second round to take Raynaud. Then trade for Portis and agree to give him a $38M/2 extension with the second year being a team option. Trade Vassell and Barnes for MPJ. I also have them signing Trendon Watford, who is a forward with size who has shown some things but had a horrible year last year.

Fox, Castle, Wesley
Harper, Champagnie, Branham
Porter, Johnson, Minix
Sochan, Bryant, Watford
Wembanyama, Portis, Raynaud

They retain Branham and Wesley for further trades, but ideally one of them is replaced by a vet PG who gets bought out during the year. For two-way contracts, I'd want another center, preferably a defensive prospect with size in case of injuries. I'd also want another guard considering they have three expiring players there right now. They actually have pretty good wing and forward depth after this, so maybe doubling up on guards would be a good strategy. I have Castle coming off the bench because I hate him -- or rather because despite both him and Harper being thought of as non-shooters, Harper shoots the ball well enough off the catch. If you aren't trying to run him as your star creator, he can come in and get minutes already.

I think some would like to run Fox, Castle, Bryant, Portis, Wembanyama to really key in on defense and rebounding. Maybe that could work well enough. That second unit would be Harper, Champagnie, Johnson, Porter and Sochan, which while not hopeless seems awkward to build around replacing Champ for Raynaud makes the positions work better, but Max isn't really a defender as far as I have seen, so it might not be the best move in practice If they were to trade in for Fleming instead, the second-unit defense probably wouldn't be an issue. But Harper not having an offensive big to work with in those units might end up not helping his growth.

MPJ from Denver?
Does somebody have a gun to your head?
Blink Twice for yes and Blink 3 times if the gun is pointed somewhere else.

[Ice009]

Didn't some post something here a few days ago saying that the Nuggets tried to trade MPJ all season, but no team would go near him due to his medical records?

[thiste]

Daniel Gafford would be the ideal. Mavs extended him to trade him, it seems, although there are going to be big suitors and I don't think the Spurs will bid heavily.

Aldama is very promising.

LaRavia I have less of a feel for, but yeah.

One of those players. I'd be okay with Kornet. There's a premium on good bigs in the league and the Spurs badly need some.

Gafford would be my ideal too

[vy65]

The other way of looking at it is that 38 doesn't help you move up in the second round at all, because a team selling an early second doesn't want #38 either - they just want out.

So maybe the Spurs decided their probably wouldn't be anyone they like at 38, let's go ahead and get another SRP that a team might like better (because it kicks the can down the road) along with some cash, and if we have to buy into the high 30s, then we have another pick to do so with.

Per Shams: The Minnesota Timberwolves are trading the first pick in tonight’s NBA draft -- No. 31 -- to the Phoenix Suns for No. 36 and two future second-round picks, sources tell ESPN. Suns continue rebuild by moving up to 31 and 41 in draft -- send out 36, 52, 59 and two future seconds.

So much for that idea ....

[Eaglenole2002]

How about Nick Richards as a backup big? He seemed to have some regard in Charlotte. Not sure what happened in Phoenix. Obviously they drafted two bigs so maybe he just stinks.

[TD 21]

They'll probably try Lopez and Horford with the MLE, but the former probably signs with the Warriors and the latter re-signs with the Celtics. A tier down, Capela probably signs with the Lakers and Kornet re-signs with the Celtics.

If they're not going to trade one or multiple of Vassell, Barnes or especially Johnson (who has no place on the current roster), to consolidate or at least balance, then we're probably looking at fringe rotation options/by committee approach, because another surefire rotation player who can't shoot is untenable and Sochan can't play next to a rim runner anyway.

The likes of Nance Jr., Eubanks, Landale, Plumlee, Richards, Reath, Vukcevic, as well as Bassey and Mamukelashvili, are probably on the radar.

[scott]

Per Shams: The Minnesota Timberwolves are trading the first pick in tonight’s NBA draft -- No. 31 -- to the Phoenix Suns for No. 36 and two future second-round picks, sources tell ESPN. Suns continue rebuild by moving up to 31 and 41 in draft -- send out 36, 52, 59 and two future seconds.

So much for that idea ....

Interesting... wouldn't think this would be for one of the C's since they just drafted Maluach and traded for Williams. One of the french kids or Fleming is my guess.

[spurraider21]

Interesting... wouldn't think this would be for one of the C's since they just drafted Maluach and traded for Williams. One of the french kids or Fleming is my guess.

its widely reported they are taking Fleming, including from Gambo himself

[scott]

its widely reported they are taking Fleming, including from Gambo himself

Mucho mahalos

[Darkwaters]

Any interest in Nick Richards from Phoenix? 7'0 center out of Kentucky (27 years old). Phoenix acquired him last January from Charlotte but acquired two more centers last night (and then took Rasheer Fleming). Phoenix has a bunch of new bigs and I'm not sure they have minutes for everybody.

Richards is on the final year of his deal making only 5M. Any interest?